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Post by tangerines on Apr 11, 2024 2:06:23 GMT
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Post by lilyspond64 on Apr 12, 2024 0:17:17 GMT
i liked this episode
timeline-wise this obviously is pre-bfb so flower as a character also has to be taken back in time so it was definitely risky to use her as they did (she is essentially bfdi flower at this point, no?) she definitely felt a little like early to mid bfb flower though so idk if its like THAAT good of a risk continuity wise? but like. ehhh bfb flower is miles better as a character than bfdi flower anyway. though it is a little jarring that her first timeline appearance after dooming multiple cast members to seemingly permanent death is to be mildly annoying. like what she did was probably worse than leafy. maybe they don't think about death too much cause they're so used to it being negligible, so stealing dream island seemed a lot worse in their eyes? definitely not the hatred that i'd have for a murderer (in universe, what flower did is more akin to murder than anything, say, blocky ever did, and it had real consequences with bubble and woody seemingly being permanently dead post-bfdi and with bfdia forever having issues with having to recover characters)
i guess she was the host and they did freak out when GB called her? there is of course the massive dissonance between her character growth and of course her winning season 4, and her one-note self-centered asshole portrayal in bfdi. a lot of the characters in bfdi were rather one-note tbh (probably because they were written by children) and bfdia, in 5 episodes, and all of bfb and the first few episodes of TPOT really fleshed out these characters, so it's hard to go back to pre-development flower, because mid-development flower is a way more interesting character.
it really also does show that BFDIA is actually rather small when you see how few contestants there already are left - at this point in bfb, we were still pre-split and it seemed like the show would go on forever. TPOT already feels this way, even with two eliminations, so it's surprising when you see how short BFDIA episodes are when they aren't 30 minutes long and 4-5 parts (if you played 5b it's even longer) and how few there need to be to catch up to IDFB
oh also ive noticed that free-smart is super cohesive and pencil seems to be really nice to ice cube and book here so what the hell happened between now and bfb i gotta know. big fan of pink book too.
one other thing about bfdia is its stakes - before episode 6, there was the LOL, and the last character to be sent there was Puffball. There aren't stakes at all anymore, especially since episode 4 established that they're battling for Cattle and Saddle, yknow. Is it just the rush of winning, at this point? compared to s5 and especially s1, s2 genuinely just doesn't feel like anything matters. if idfb had never happened then im sure season 2 would be more cohesive and feel better but at this point it just kind of feels like going through the motions in terms of elimination and stuff. stakes wise, specifically - the challenges and characters are still super fun to watch. there was always a conceptual problem with bfdia of course. no host, no stakes, etc - and we've been spoiled on how it ends - NOTHING happens, nobody wins, etc, or whoever won, it doesn't matter. for the grandest adventure in any bfdi season (5) the tension is pretty low. im glad theres still a season where post woah bunch (or during!) coiny's around because he really fleshed out to be a good character.
ok those are all my thoughts rn i liked this episode and i cant wait to see where this season leads
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Post by tangerines on Apr 12, 2024 0:44:33 GMT
timeline-wise this obviously is pre-bfb so flower as a character also has to be taken back in time so it was definitely risky to use her as they did (she is essentially bfdi flower at this point, no?) she definitely felt a little like early to mid bfb flower though so idk if its like THAAT good of a risk continuity wise? there is of course the massive dissonance between her character growth and of course her winning season 4, and her one-note self-centered asshole portrayal in bfdi. a lot of the characters in bfdi were rather one-note tbh (probably because they were written by children) and bfdia, in 5 episodes, and all of bfb and the first few episodes of TPOT really fleshed out these characters, so it's hard to go back to pre-development flower, because mid-development flower is a way more interesting character. tbh this was one of my favorite parts of the episode! i've absolutely loved the bfdia continuation so far because ive always been much bigger of a bfdia-head than most bfdi fans (controversially i prefer it to pre-split bfb LOL). i agree completely that yeah, this is basically just bfdi flower, but that's what makes it so cool to me tbh. i always felt like the switch from the bfdia/idfb status quo was really jarring, with all these characters having established relationships that seemed to have happened off screen. i never minded it necessarily, but man is it cool to finally see the previously off screen connections! i loved (i think nickel's?) throwaway line about not recognizing her so bad. its like wow... this shit really is happening in between the events we've known about for like 7 years. i also thought they did a really good job of making flower super funny and likeable while staying within the bounds of her older self-centered asshole characterization. the parallels with tpot's reprogrammed robot flower were really funny to me too LOLL. i <3 flower even when she's being an asshole i think shes a great character regardless
oh also ive noticed that free-smart is super cohesive and pencil seems to be really nice to ice cube and book here so what the hell happened between now and bfb i gotta know. RIIIGHT i've been wondering about this shit sooo much too. freesmart has always been one of my favorite bfdi teams (proud owner of katherine suns freesmart supervan figurine) and so i've really appreciated the clarification that no, pencil and match WEREN'T that terrible to their teammates during bfdia, that was something that happened later on. it's just especially crazy to me considering ice cube almost got eliminated last time and is probably going to be the one to go next (:'( )... does this mean we're gonna get more freesmart polycule destruction in idfb whenever it continues
one other thing about bfdia is its stakes - before episode 6, there was the LOL, and the last character to be sent there was Puffball. There aren't stakes at all anymore, especially since episode 4 established that they're battling for Cattle and Saddle, yknow. Is it just the rush of winning, at this point? compared to s5 and especially s1, s2 genuinely just doesn't feel like anything matters. if idfb had never happened then im sure season 2 would be more cohesive and feel better but at this point it just kind of feels like going through the motions in terms of elimination and stuff. stakes wise, specifically - the challenges and characters are still super fun to watch. there was always a conceptual problem with bfdia of course. no host, no stakes, etc - and we've been spoiled on how it ends - NOTHING happens, nobody wins, etc, or whoever won, it doesn't matter. for the grandest adventure in any bfdi season (5) the tension is pretty low. honestly, and i know this is a pretty controversial take too LOL, but this has always been exactly what makes me love bfdia so much. i feel like bfdi season 1 was a pretty straightforward adaptation of the total drama format: a bunch of contestants battling for a prize with no real subversion on that premise. but bfdia has always felt like a direct inversion of that idea. they start the entire season for no particular reason! the prize is gone (which they all know in the beginning), there's not even really a proper host, they literally aren't "battling" for anything!! it's a complete deconstruction of the concept of a "competition show": the competitors themselves are basically the ones creating the competition themselves because they're bored and don't know what else to do with their time.
the entire format basically just seems like a formality in the best way: it's just a way to explore these characters, their relationships, and tell silly jokes and do fun cartoon comedy. like look at challenges like the bfdia 5 saga: 5 entire episodes (one of them being a game) that are stretching a single, extremely simple challenge (get to the top of this mountain) into a BUNCH of extremely weird and creative ideas and ventures (including an entire flash game!!) it's always felt like bfdi's most experimental season, not only with the whole team switching concept (again kind of throwing out one of the base assumptions of how you'd expect a competition show to work), but also with all of the 3d animated segments and weird abstract jokes like the endless trail of freesmart corpses, the entire plot pausing for 78 in-universe days for all of the characters to crank a recovery center recovery center, and bfdia 5a just ending with a silent shot of evil leafy staring into space.
i'm SO glad that they decided to continue specifically this season, i'm exactly the target audience for the new episodes and i feel like they've perfectly continued the spirit of original bfdia LOL
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Post by lilyspond64 on Apr 12, 2024 1:10:27 GMT
oh yeah totally,, i love bfdia it was some of the most fun of any season
im a big fan of the alliance cause i like match and bubble a lot so them getting as much screentime as they did (esp since they just Dont Exist in TPOT) is really cool even though both match and bubble straight up arent in bfdia anymore (or at all in bubble's sake wahhhh)
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Post by TomoTango on Apr 12, 2024 1:57:54 GMT
All of this sounds so interesting! Ive been bitter since the change in writers after TPOT 2, and I felt that they were going to ruin BFDIA for me by rewriting how it goes (not ending at bfdia5e). This does make me want to check out the season, though. Ive always liked how much more extreme everything felt, with the lack of a host and everything.
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Post by tangerines on Apr 12, 2024 2:12:40 GMT
oh yeah totally,, i love bfdia it was some of the most fun of any season im a big fan of the alliance cause i like match and bubble a lot so them getting as much screentime as they did (esp since they just Dont Exist in TPOT) is really cool even though both match and bubble straight up arent in bfdia anymore (or at all in bubble's sake wahhhh) YEAHHH i miss them so bad... i loooove bubble. it was so funny though the part where they brought her back for like 2 seconds and then she popped again LOLLL... tbh though it would not surprise me if she comes back before the season ends. with how Literally flimsy the WTF is i would genuinely place bets that the entire thing is destroyed / the rest of the cast returns and we see the competition format explode even further than it already has |
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Post by cam on Apr 12, 2024 2:16:02 GMT
I really hope the merge happens next episode because I really did not like how everyone just ended up going back to their original teams after the BFDI team collapsed, like, that was not needed at all, just do the merge at that point
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Post by tangerines on Apr 12, 2024 2:32:30 GMT
All of this sounds so interesting! Ive been bitter since the change in writers after TPOT 2, and I felt that they were going to ruin BFDIA for me by rewriting how it goes (not ending at bfdia5e). This does make me want to check out the season, though. Ive always liked how much more extreme everything felt, with the lack of a host and everything. its sooo great tbh. i feel like if it was made by anyone else it'd be the worst idea ever, and would probably end up being just like a complete holding of the implied status quo between 5e and idfb 1. they'd never leave yoyleland, they'd barely do the team switching, firey speakerbox would stay the host the entire time, they'd stay completely within the bounds of the competition show format etc etc. but because it's literally cary writing these episodes, he has no need to like. follow up the Legacy of this 10 year old season. he and michael literally made the show in the first place by writing silly stupid jokes, breaking whatever rules they set for themselves and doing whatever they want, and new-bfdia has perfectly continued in the tradition of doing all of those things esp with the contrast of tpot coming out at the same time, which is so clearly trying to be an Actual Professional Character-Focused Season, to me it just feels like the fulfillment of the "best of both worlds" promise they said we were gonna get when they did the bfb split (but we never actually got bc of tpot delays LOLLL) |
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Post by mintykiwi on Apr 14, 2024 0:47:51 GMT
oh yeah totally,, i love bfdia it was some of the most fun of any season im a big fan of the alliance cause i like match and bubble a lot so them getting as much screentime as they did (esp since they just Dont Exist in TPOT) is really cool even though both match and bubble straight up arent in bfdia anymore (or at all in bubble's sake wahhhh) YEAHHH i miss them so bad... i loooove bubble. it was so funny though the part where they brought her back for like 2 seconds and then she popped again LOLLL... tbh though it would not surprise me if she comes back before the season ends. with how Literally flimsy the WTF is i would genuinely place bets that the entire thing is destroyed / the rest of the cast returns and we see the competition format explode even further than it already has same i missed freesmart... nothing else to say i just really missed freesmart |
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Post by lilyspond64 on Apr 14, 2024 5:37:38 GMT
I definitely think bfdia needs to break up the teams real quick cause theyre getting rather small
unfortunately breaking up teams means no more team switching shenanigans but the best parts of bfdi seasons thus far have always been post team split in my probably controversial opinion
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Post by behindthetimes on Apr 16, 2024 2:47:43 GMT
new BFDIA has mainly sucked rear so far so BFDIA 11 was a nice breath of fresh air. it felt more grounded and focused than most of the previous episodes. it's funny how much of BFDIA has been "fix-it" moments to excuse the horribly decision to bring BFDIA back and completely ruin the timeline, i.e. bringing the old team names back arbitrarily. also Flower was there and she was perfect
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Post by mintykiwi on Apr 16, 2024 12:03:58 GMT
You know what I just realized? Ice Cube loses her legs in TPOT, making her limbless, so we know that in the future she knows at least slightly how Pin might have felt in BFDIA. TPOT now has the potential for an extremely compelling parallel. Could Ice Cube lose her face, too, and would she recognize what she did to Pin? How would Pin react? Would she laugh at the irony or would the reminder of her past traumatize her further? These two characters need to interact more I swear!!!
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Post by Mirkoslavec on Apr 20, 2024 7:52:03 GMT
BFDIA 11, like almost all of BFDIA, was really funny episode. I was surprised, when Flower came back and wasn't nice (because Post-Split made her nice and I dislike that), and even she became a host! Of course I have to remember, that BFDIA happens in the past, while BFB and TPOT - in future and the reason why it was done was to make the loose ends explained and "fixed" (ex. why Pin hated BFDIA, because from the perspective of BFDIA 1-BFDIA 5e there are not really real reasons why would she even hate that season whatsoever, only with her losing her limps, but with her losing her face too it makes more sense).
Freesmart was one of the best parts of episode, I loved when Ice Cube was saying that Flower looked "ugly" with whatever they were putting on her (tbh I had to always agree with her, because Flower looked like a monstrosity lol). Team No-Name was also fire, mainly because of Tengolf duo, but Fries was also funny.
The beginning scene with Fries and Jack talking was like Micheal talking to himself (if I'm not wrong both of them are voiced by Micheal), and it made the whole scene funnier! And also... Voice mixing? In 2024?! That was something I have to give credit for JNJ for not using AI, but using good classic ol' Voice Mixing! Reminded me of all those Youtube Poops I've watched when I was a kid!
Overall, the whole episode was fun for me, but I do wonder if those doors, that were presented (you know with 1,2 and 3) are foreshadowing something for TPOT 11... Or it was done for fun, I guess
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Post by mintykiwi on Apr 21, 2024 10:41:28 GMT
BFDIA 11, like almost all of BFDIA, was really funny episode. I was surprised, when Flower came back and wasn't nice (because Post-Split made her nice and I dislike that), and even she became a host! Of course I have to remember, that BFDIA happens in the past, while BFB and TPOT - in future and the reason why it was done was to make the loose ends explained and "fixed" (ex. why Pin hated BFDIA, because from the perspective of BFDIA 1-BFDIA 5e there are not really real reasons why would she even hate that season whatsoever, only with her losing her limps, but with her losing her face too it makes more sense). Freesmart was one of the best parts of episode, I loved when Ice Cube was saying that Flower looked "ugly" with whatever they were putting on her (tbh I had to always agree with her, because Flower looked like a monstrosity lol). Team No-Name was also fire, mainly because of Tengolf duo, but Fries was also funny. The beginning scene with Fries and Jack talking was like Micheal talking to himself (if I'm not wrong both of them are voiced by Micheal), and it made the whole scene funnier! And also... Voice mixing? In 2024?! That was something I have to give credit for JNJ for not using AI, but using good classic ol' Voice Mixing! Reminded me of all those Youtube Poops I've watched when I was a kid! Overall, the whole episode was fun for me, but I do wonder if those doors, that were presented (you know with 1,2 and 3) are foreshadowing something for TPOT 11... Or it was done for fun, I guess i'm so glad ytp culture is being revived... i wonder if it has anyhting to do with arzette? |
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Post by Mirkoslavec on Apr 21, 2024 10:50:25 GMT
BFDIA 11, like almost all of BFDIA, was really funny episode. I was surprised, when Flower came back and wasn't nice (because Post-Split made her nice and I dislike that), and even she became a host! Of course I have to remember, that BFDIA happens in the past, while BFB and TPOT - in future and the reason why it was done was to make the loose ends explained and "fixed" (ex. why Pin hated BFDIA, because from the perspective of BFDIA 1-BFDIA 5e there are not really real reasons why would she even hate that season whatsoever, only with her losing her limps, but with her losing her face too it makes more sense). Freesmart was one of the best parts of episode, I loved when Ice Cube was saying that Flower looked "ugly" with whatever they were putting on her (tbh I had to always agree with her, because Flower looked like a monstrosity lol). Team No-Name was also fire, mainly because of Tengolf duo, but Fries was also funny. The beginning scene with Fries and Jack talking was like Micheal talking to himself (if I'm not wrong both of them are voiced by Micheal), and it made the whole scene funnier! And also... Voice mixing? In 2024?! That was something I have to give credit for JNJ for not using AI, but using good classic ol' Voice Mixing! Reminded me of all those Youtube Poops I've watched when I was a kid! Overall, the whole episode was fun for me, but I do wonder if those doors, that were presented (you know with 1,2 and 3) are foreshadowing something for TPOT 11... Or it was done for fun, I guess i'm so glad ytp culture is being revived... i wonder if it has anyhting to do with arzette? Hmmm, maybe? Maybe it is because of arzette? Who knows, really! |
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