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Post by cam on Apr 18, 2024 18:38:24 GMT
sorry should i just remove that i wasn't trying to be hurtful :( I know that wasn't your intention I'm just letting you know how It comes off. You don't have to delete you reply, I'm just hoping you can take my advice to heart. The last thing I want is people to get scared away from writing disabled characters instead of noting criticism as something helpful. i will! i'll remember, and whenever I make one, I could share it to the forum for feedback ^^" |
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Post by CD on Apr 18, 2024 18:50:08 GMT
i will! i'll remember, and whenever I make one, I could share it to the forum for feedback ^^" Much appreciated. I'm sure there's many people who'd love to give feedback, including myself. |
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Post by objectirl on Apr 19, 2024 18:38:43 GMT
For our absolute fave examples, it def has to be Cracklin (ION) and Mephone4 (II). Having canon autism rep written by an autistic person is something we really love seeing and Cracklin is oftentimes relatable, even if we don't have the sane experiences to a T. And we think Mephone4's post-trauma symptoms are done fairly well- he's very believable and relatable in this way.
We also quite like Suitcase (II) as psychosis rep. Could be better, but she's not too trope-y.
Speaking of tropes, thouh... Paper (II) is such a weird character for us to have as a fav. We used to really hate him for being a DID sterotype and one of the worse ones to boot but he & Page (fan-nickname for the other headmate, as we hate to use the canon name) grew on us during rewatches. Now we have an AU where we elaborate on Page, bc the simplest way to "fix" the writing really just is to write the persecutor alter as a 3-dimensional person. That's really it. Page reads as someone who's really terrified. We don't think you'd even need to change canon events either- many hosts make mistake of vengeance against persecutors so it COULD work as a realistic arc if given the time. Just Paper learning more about his condition and reconciling with Page & figuring out how to help & accomodate to them. And Paper confronting OJ about him giving the wrong idea on what Page really is like by calling them evil, which in any sys context is REALLY shitty and damaging. IDK we think Paper & Page have BIG potentional as rep despite how it is in s1. AnimationEpic should hire us to make a Paper focused spinoff /silly
Obviously there's WAYYY more to talk in regards to disability rep in object shows than this, these are just our strongest thoughts.
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Post by CD on Apr 19, 2024 18:50:15 GMT
For our absolute fave examples, it def has to be Cracklin (ION) and Mephone4 (II). Having canon autism rep written by an autistic person is something we really love seeing and Cracklin is oftentimes relatable, even if we don't have the sane experiences to a T. And we think Mephone4's post-trauma symptoms are done fairly well- he's very believable and relatable in this way. We also quite like Suitcase (II) as psychosis rep. Could be better, but she's not too trope-y. Speaking of tropes, thouh... Paper (II) is such a weird character for us to have as a fav. We used to really hate him for being a DID sterotype and one of the worse ones to boot but he & Page (fan-nickname for the other headmate, as we hate to use the canon name) grew on us during rewatches. Now we have an AU where we elaborate on Page, bc the simplest way to "fix" the writing really just is to write the persecutor alter as a 3-dimensional person. That's really it. Page reads as someone who's really terrified. We don't think you'd even need to change canon events either- many hosts make mistake of vengeance against persecutors so it COULD work as a realistic arc if given the time. Just Paper learning more about his condition and reconciling with Page & figuring out how to help & accomodate to them. And Paper confronting OJ about him giving the wrong idea on what Page really is like by calling them evil, which in any sys context is REALLY shitty and damaging. IDK we think Paper & Page have BIG potentional as rep despite how it is in s1. AnimationEpic should hire us to make a Paper focused spinoff /silly Obviously there's WAYYY more to talk in regards to disability rep in object shows than this, these are just our strongest thoughts. OMG I was so focused on physical disabilities that I forgot Cracklin!! One of my fave autistic characters in general. His "type" (for the lack of better word) of autism isn't exactly like mine - I'm a lot more monotone and blunt personally, so kinda the opposite. But the way others percieve him is suuuper relatable. I think of the line where Sylvia said he's so "stupid and smart at the same time". I also forgot about MePhone's PTSD for a second but thats because, as mentioned prior, I'm not a huge IIhead. Saluting to you for fixing stereotypical characters by the way. I totally get it. Sometimes I can't help but think about the "what could've been" or "how would i make this work". |
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Post by tangerines on Apr 20, 2024 6:23:02 GMT
For our absolute fave examples, it def has to be Cracklin (ION) and Mephone4 (II). [...] we think Mephone4's post-trauma symptoms are done fairly well- he's very believable and relatable in this way. couldnt agree more hes suuuch a great character Speaking of tropes, thouh... Paper (II) is such a weird character for us to have as a fav. We used to really hate him for being a DID sterotype and one of the worse ones to boot but he & Page (fan-nickname for the other headmate, as we hate to use the canon name) grew on us during rewatches. Now we have an AU where we elaborate on Page, bc the simplest way to "fix" the writing really just is to write the persecutor alter as a 3-dimensional person. That's really it. Page reads as someone who's really terrified. We don't think you'd even need to change canon events either- many hosts make mistake of vengeance against persecutors so it COULD work as a realistic arc if given the time. Just Paper learning more about his condition and reconciling with Page & figuring out how to help & accomodate to them. And Paper confronting OJ about him giving the wrong idea on what Page really is like by calling them evil, which in any sys context is REALLY shitty and damaging. IDK we think Paper & Page have BIG potentional as rep despite how it is in s1. AnimationEpic should hire us to make a Paper focused spinoff /silly god this is literally the best thing i have ever read TBHHHHH
i get it i kind of love evil paper too (ALSO PAGE IS THE BEST NAME FOR HIM EVER WTF THATS SO SMART)
i literally completely agree also, we always kind of loved him as a character! its so unfair he gets sidelined the way he does, like i said earlier in this thread thats my biggest criticism with the way he's written
i completely agree adam kzts needs to hire you guys RIGHT fucking now. @animationepic get on this please
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jun 8, 2024 19:25:49 GMT
Going back to this thread because I feel it's relevant here. Pony brought up in another thread how a part of why the depiction of Mentally Ill characters in the OSC has stagnated comes from the fact that there are little to no prominent creators who have experiences with the topic. So it's easy to dismiss criticisms from mentally ill fans if you don't experience it yourself. I have always found this very disheartening, because while it is a good thing that the community is very supportive of LGBT folk, that doesn't mean that we should put down other minorities or vulnerable people down as well. That isn't inclusive, it's double standards. It's a shame that in general, people do care about LGBTphobia but easily dismiss things such as racism and ableism. Especially if your community consists of people who both vulnerable to it. Society already encourages such ideals which doesn't help. People shouldn't have to fear for their lives whenever they point out the ableism in object shows or just the community in general. I really do try to give the creators benefit of the doubt, and I know they aren't perfect. I just hope that whatever happened last year, they come to understand that some of the concerns people do have are worth looking into. And don't just write it all off as cancelling or whatever. I want to be optimistic that maybe one day, the OSC learns to move past all of this. |
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Post by viscera zombie on Jun 8, 2024 21:25:42 GMT
Going back to this thread because I feel it's relevant here. Pony brought up in another thread how a part of why the depiction of Mentally Ill characters in the OSC has stagnated comes from the fact that there are little to no prominent creators who have experiences with the topic. So it's easy to dismiss criticisms from mentally ill fans if you don't experience it yourself. I have always found this very disheartening, because while it is a good thing that the community is very supportive of LGBT folk, that doesn't mean that we should put down other minorities or vulnerable people down as well. That isn't inclusive, it's double standards. It's a shame that in general, people do care about LGBTphobia but easily dismiss things such as racism and ableism. Especially if your community consists of people who both vulnerable to it. Society already encourages such ideals which doesn't help. People shouldn't have to fear for their lives whenever they point out the ableism in object shows or just the community in general. I really do try to give the creators benefit of the doubt, and I know they aren't perfect. I just hope that whatever happened last year, they come to understand that some of the concerns people do have are worth looking into. And don't just write it all off as cancelling or whatever. I want to be optimistic that maybe one day, the OSC learns to move past all of this. for me, it especially sucks being that im mentally ill AND queer (on top of chronically ill) and it feels like... damn. one part of me is acceptable, but the rest isnt, huh? im allowed to exist and be queer and thats great but im not allowed to also exist and be disabled or exist and be mentally ill. and thats really not to say that disability rep is absolutely required in a show (same as how queer rep is not required), but it sucks that what DOES exist is so lackluster. its like, okay, is only part of me acceptable to you people? is only part of me worthy of being represented in a decent way? and im sure other disabled queer folks would agree. if you wanna be inclusive, you need to be inclusive to ALL people, and that means listening to criticism when disabled and mentally ill people feel that your representation of them isnt up to snuff. me being chronically ill and mentally ill are both just as worthy of good treatment as me being queer and thats how it will always be and we need to stop treating queerness as inherently more valuable and worthy of representation than disability. its not. all minorities deserve characters and stories they can relate to without having to imagine a version of it that doesnt treat them like garbage. |
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Post by objectirl on Jun 9, 2024 5:33:58 GMT
Going back to this thread because I feel it's relevant here. Pony brought up in another thread how a part of why the depiction of Mentally Ill characters in the OSC has stagnated comes from the fact that there are little to no prominent creators who have experiences with the topic. So it's easy to dismiss criticisms from mentally ill fans if you don't experience it yourself. I have always found this very disheartening, because while it is a good thing that the community is very supportive of LGBT folk, that doesn't mean that we should put down other minorities or vulnerable people down as well. That isn't inclusive, it's double standards. It's a shame that in general, people do care about LGBTphobia but easily dismiss things such as racism and ableism. Especially if your community consists of people who both vulnerable to it. Society already encourages such ideals which doesn't help. People shouldn't have to fear for their lives whenever they point out the ableism in object shows or just the community in general. I really do try to give the creators benefit of the doubt, and I know they aren't perfect. I just hope that whatever happened last year, they come to understand that some of the concerns people do have are worth looking into. And don't just write it all off as cancelling or whatever. I want to be optimistic that maybe one day, the OSC learns to move past all of this. for me, it especially sucks being that im mentally ill AND queer (on top of chronically ill) and it feels like... damn. one part of me is acceptable, but the rest isnt, huh? im allowed to exist and be queer and thats great but im not allowed to also exist and be disabled or exist and be mentally ill. and thats really not to say that disability rep is absolutely required in a show (same as how queer rep is not required), but it sucks that what DOES exist is so lackluster. its like, okay, is only part of me acceptable to you people? is only part of me worthy of being represented in a decent way? and im sure other disabled queer folks would agree. if you wanna be inclusive, you need to be inclusive to ALL people, and that means listening to criticism when disabled and mentally ill people feel that your representation of them isnt up to snuff. me being chronically ill and mentally ill are both just as worthy of good treatment as me being queer and thats how it will always be and we need to stop treating queerness as inherently more valuable and worthy of representation than disability. its not. all minorities deserve characters and stories they can relate to without having to imagine a version of it that doesnt treat them like garbage. This exactly! This is how we feel about II, TBH. We feel sort of seen for the enby/transneu rep, but the disability rep... Sighs. |
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jun 9, 2024 6:39:26 GMT
It doesn't really help that the OSC is so.. Hostile towards mentally ill people. Even before the III controversy, it was unpleasant to be in especially if you are psychotic. It's a whole other discussion really....
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Post by Pony on Jun 10, 2024 3:44:42 GMT
It doesn't really help that the OSC is so.. Hostile towards mentally ill people. Even before the III controversy, it was unpleasant to be in especially if you are psychotic. It's a whole other discussion really.... I Try to Avoid Getting Too Frank With This for My Safety But Yes This Community is Generally Unsafe to Be In if You Have Issues Relating to Psychosis. With How Normalized Things Like Stalking and Harassment Are Here It Feels Like the End Goal is to Incite Spirals in Unstable People Which are Then Held Against Them as a Sign of Their Inherent Danger. All of This is Usually Done in the Name of Shows Made By Nonpsychotics Using Bastardized Tropes for Drama Too. Funny. |
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