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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 15, 2024 17:30:21 GMT
I knew about the pronouns of the characters, but not their specific identities. I don't really have much to say regarding Animatic Battle as a whole, though.
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Post by viscera zombie on Jul 21, 2024 18:13:02 GMT
im coming back to this thread cuz earlier today i watched a video by PuppyRelp about LGBT rep in object shows and they had some fairly positive things to say, im not mentioning it to disregard any of their opinions but to say that it did get me thinking about a subject i dont see brought up all too much in these conversations, and thats specifically lesbian representation. the video mentioned some lesbian couples in a few shows and brought up one character that fits into the "evil lesbian" archetype and it got me thinking a whole lot more about this, being a lesbian myself and all that.
when it comes to sapphic representation (or even just headcanons!) the "mean/evil lesbian" trope is very, VERY common when you actually take a look at it. some of the most popular headcanons of lesbian characters in the OSC have mean, sassy, or evil personalities and this also goes for canonically lesbian characters. characters with more nice or friendly personalities typically get headcanoned as (or confirmed to be) bisexual instead. i dont think this is deliberate lesbiphobia in most cases, but it certainly is something i've noticed in the fandom, and it gets to a point of feeling very stereotypical and frankly, kind of annoying. im no stranger to doing this myself- literally the main villain of Roadkill is a lesbian, and that chick is a straight up serial killer. my other sapphic character, Fireball, is mean and promiscuous. but i do it in a way that's moreso "reclaiming" the stereotype.
i've been told by other queer people in the OSC directly that they're "scared" of lesbians because we're "usually mean". even seeming slightly annoyed at somebody gets us labelled as "scary lesbians". i've had my own lesbian interpretations of characters brushed off if the character's personality didn't fit that stereotype people have of us. and let's not even get into shipping discourse regarding "toxic" lesbian ships because i really do not have the time or mental energy to start an argument about that right now. it seems that, subconsciously, or maybe even consciously, the wider OSC has a lesbiphobia problem that is rarely ever addressed. from my experiences, if im gonna get labelled as a "mean lesbian" by others, including my fellow queer people, then i have a right to be a mean lesbian, dammit, and so i'm gonna project that onto my lesbian characters! and yet at the same time... seeing this stereotype being applied so heavily still annoys me. its like i want to project onto this stereotype, but i also want a wider spectrum of personalities because i'm just sick of being treated as "scary" for simply existing in this community.
discussion about representation in the OSC usually centers around trans and nonbinary characters, which is understandable, but i do think it shows how little sapphic representation exists explicitly in many object shows. i wonder if object show creators are afraid that they can't write queer representation without romance, but most object shows dont center around romance or include it at all. the thing is, just like not even trans character needs a coming out arc to be valid, neither do gay characters. it's possible to write implications of a character being a lesbian without having to write in a romance plot. at the same time, so many queer characters in general get confirmed outside of the source material or other canon materials that sometimes i just wish creators would risk the awkwardness and have a character say, out loud, "i am a lesbian". it goes back to the issue that's been talked about in this thread already of how object show creators with good intentions will confirm queerness completely outside of the canon material just to say they have queer rep. if it cant be implied from the source, then in my eyes, it might as well not be there at all. even with these indie web series you can't rely on everyone in your audience having an account on whatever you posted it on, or being in your discord server, or watching that live stream, or etc. basically, if they have to travel outside of canon material to find it, its not canon to me.
all in all i think sapphic representation in object shows is something that could use some improvement. drop the stereotypes about lesbians being evil and mean and scary. explore sexuality within the show itself. and in general, just have more sapphic representation, ALL queer identities are worth being expressed!
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 21, 2024 18:18:42 GMT
im coming back to this thread cuz earlier today i watched a video by PuppyRelp about LGBT rep in object shows and they had some fairly positive things to say, im not mentioning it to disregard any of their opinions but to say that it did get me thinking about a subject i dont see brought up all too much in these conversations, and thats specifically lesbian representation. the video mentioned some lesbian couples in a few shows and brought up one character that fits into the "evil lesbian" archetype and it got me thinking a whole lot more about this, being a lesbian myself and all that. when it comes to sapphic representation (or even just headcanons!) the "mean/evil lesbian" trope is very, VERY common when you actually take a look at it. some of the most popular headcanons of lesbian characters in the OSC have mean, sassy, or evil personalities and this also goes for canonically lesbian characters. characters with more nice or friendly personalities typically get headcanoned as (or confirmed to be) bisexual instead. i dont think this is deliberate lesbiphobia in most cases, but it certainly is something i've noticed in the fandom, and it gets to a point of feeling very stereotypical and frankly, kind of annoying. im no stranger to doing this myself- literally the main villain of Roadkill is a lesbian, and that chick is a straight up serial killer. my other sapphic character, Fireball, is mean and promiscuous. but i do it in a way that's moreso "reclaiming" the stereotype. i've been told by other queer people in the OSC directly that they're "scared" of lesbians because we're "usually mean". even seeming slightly annoyed at somebody gets us labelled as "scary lesbians". i've had my own lesbian interpretations of characters brushed off if the character's personality didn't fit that stereotype people have of us. and let's not even get into shipping discourse regarding "toxic" lesbian ships because i really do not have the time or mental energy to start an argument about that right now. it seems that, subconsciously, or maybe even consciously, the wider OSC has a lesbiphobia problem that is rarely ever addressed. from my experiences, if im gonna get labelled as a "mean lesbian" by others, including my fellow queer people, then i have a right to be a mean lesbian, dammit, and so i'm gonna project that onto my lesbian characters! and yet at the same time... seeing this stereotype being applied so heavily still annoys me. its like i want to project onto this stereotype, but i also want a wider spectrum of personalities because i'm just sick of being treated as "scary" for simply existing in this community. discussion about representation in the OSC usually centers around trans and nonbinary characters, which is understandable, but i do think it shows how little sapphic representation exists explicitly in many object shows. i wonder if object show creators are afraid that they can't write queer representation without romance, but most object shows dont center around romance or include it at all. the thing is, just like not even trans character needs a coming out arc to be valid, neither do gay characters. it's possible to write implications of a character being a lesbian without having to write in a romance plot. at the same time, so many queer characters in general get confirmed outside of the source material or other canon materials that sometimes i just wish creators would risk the awkwardness and have a character say, out loud, "i am a lesbian". it goes back to the issue that's been talked about in this thread already of how object show creators with good intentions will confirm queerness completely outside of the canon material just to say they have queer rep. if it cant be implied from the source, then in my eyes, it might as well not be there at all. even with these indie web series you can't rely on everyone in your audience having an account on whatever you posted it on, or being in your discord server, or watching that live stream, or etc. basically, if they have to travel outside of canon material to find it, its not canon to me. all in all i think sapphic representation in object shows is something that could use some improvement. drop the stereotypes about lesbians being evil and mean and scary. explore sexuality within the show itself. and in general, just have more sapphic representation, ALL queer identities are worth being expressed! this was a bit of a ramble, but i hope i got my points across I noticed the HCing of meaner characters as lesbians, but I didn't really do much about it since usually those headcanons were by lesbians trying to reclaim it. That and some of the characters in question did get fleshed out eventually. It does suck to hear people are scared of lesbians though. Sorry that happened to you.
I can't really speak much on the romance thing either, knowing full well that the prominent creators are WELL AWARE that saying it out of source isn't good representation. Even the ones who don't like writing romance, which is most of them. I do agree they don't need to be in a relationship to be queer though. I think this comes from the revelation being fairly recent in the grand scheme of things. So not everyone has picked up on it.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 21, 2024 18:23:30 GMT
I'm just more focused on the trans rep, partially because I'm not well versed in romance.. That and... I'm kind of bitter. It's best I don't explain why though.
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Post by viscera zombie on Jul 21, 2024 18:25:31 GMT
I noticed the HCing of meaner characters as lesbians, but I didn't really do much about it since usually those headcanons were by lesbians trying to reclaim it. That and some of the characters in question did get fleshed out eventually. It does suck to hear people are scared of lesbians though. Sorry.
that's very true, but of course, it's being reclaimed for a reason. a lot of people who aren't lesbians treat us that way in most cases where my own headcanons of lesbian characters were brushed off, it was by people who aren't lesbian, some not even sapphic at all, implying it made more sense for the nicer characters to be bisexual rather than lesbian. bi rep is a whole other can of worms that im not equipped to talk about because, well, i'm not bisexual. its probably a bit easier to notice when you're like me and have been in a ton of discord servers and such and have directly talked to people who think this way about lesbians and lesbian characters. |
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 21, 2024 18:26:55 GMT
that's very true, but of course, it's being reclaimed for a reason. a lot of people who aren't lesbians treat us that way :zeekycry: in most cases where my own headcanons of lesbian characters were brushed off, it was by people who aren't lesbian, some not even sapphic at all, implying it made more sense for the nicer characters to be bisexual rather than lesbian. bi rep is a whole other can of worms that im not equipped to talk about because, well, i'm not bisexual. its probably a bit easier to notice when you're like me and have been in a ton of discord servers and such and have directly talked to people who think this way about lesbians and lesbian characters.
I'm aware of Headcanons that feed into stereotypes, but it is true that I barely interact with the OSC. I just thought there was some nuance, and I really don't like jumping to conclusions. It is a real problem, yes. |
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 21, 2024 18:35:01 GMT
That sounded wrong. I'm well aware of the way queer people are treated even in their own communities. I just don't talk much about it since I don't have much to say, and it's sadly too risky to do so anyway. I tend to stay away from most people online. I just lurk at most. (Plus I barely use social media, only doing so to be up to date on info)
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Post by viscera zombie on Jul 21, 2024 20:30:03 GMT
That sounded wrong. I'm well aware of the way queer people are treated even in their own communities. I just don't talk much about it since I don't have much to say, and it's sadly too risky to do so anyway. I tend to stay away from most people online. I just lurk at most. (Plus I barely use social media, only doing so to be up to date on info) dont worry, i totally get that. for this and many other reasons i stopped being active on social media altogether. im only really in a few small discord servers with friends, some forums, art sites, and my website. |
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Post by objectirl on Jul 22, 2024 10:15:07 GMT
im coming back to this thread cuz earlier today i watched a video by PuppyRelp about LGBT rep in object shows and they had some fairly positive things to say, im not mentioning it to disregard any of their opinions but to say that it did get me thinking about a subject i dont see brought up all too much in these conversations, and thats specifically lesbian representation. the video mentioned some lesbian couples in a few shows and brought up one character that fits into the "evil lesbian" archetype and it got me thinking a whole lot more about this, being a lesbian myself and all that.
when it comes to sapphic representation (or even just headcanons!) the "mean/evil lesbian" trope is very, VERY common when you actually take a look at it. some of the most popular headcanons of lesbian characters in the OSC have mean, sassy, or evil personalities and this also goes for canonically lesbian characters. characters with more nice or friendly personalities typically get headcanoned as (or confirmed to be) bisexual instead. i dont think this is deliberate lesbiphobia in most cases, but it certainly is something i've noticed in the fandom, and it gets to a point of feeling very stereotypical and frankly, kind of annoying. im no stranger to doing this myself- literally the main villain of Roadkill is a lesbian, and that chick is a straight up serial killer. my other sapphic character, Fireball, is mean and promiscuous. but i do it in a way that's moreso "reclaiming" the stereotype.
i've been told by other queer people in the OSC directly that they're "scared" of lesbians because we're "usually mean". even seeming slightly annoyed at somebody gets us labelled as "scary lesbians". i've had my own lesbian interpretations of characters brushed off if the character's personality didn't fit that stereotype people have of us. and let's not even get into shipping discourse regarding "toxic" lesbian ships because i really do not have the time or mental energy to start an argument about that right now. it seems that, subconsciously, or maybe even consciously, the wider OSC has a lesbiphobia problem that is rarely ever addressed. from my experiences, if im gonna get labelled as a "mean lesbian" by others, including my fellow queer people, then i have a right to be a mean lesbian, dammit, and so i'm gonna project that onto my lesbian characters! and yet at the same time... seeing this stereotype being applied so heavily still annoys me. its like i want to project onto this stereotype, but i also want a wider spectrum of personalities because i'm just sick of being treated as "scary" for simply existing in this community.
discussion about representation in the OSC usually centers around trans and nonbinary characters, which is understandable, but i do think it shows how little sapphic representation exists explicitly in many object shows. i wonder if object show creators are afraid that they can't write queer representation without romance, but most object shows dont center around romance or include it at all. the thing is, just like not even trans character needs a coming out arc to be valid, neither do gay characters. it's possible to write implications of a character being a lesbian without having to write in a romance plot. at the same time, so many queer characters in general get confirmed outside of the source material or other canon materials that sometimes i just wish creators would risk the awkwardness and have a character say, out loud, "i am a lesbian". it goes back to the issue that's been talked about in this thread already of how object show creators with good intentions will confirm queerness completely outside of the canon material just to say they have queer rep. if it cant be implied from the source, then in my eyes, it might as well not be there at all. even with these indie web series you can't rely on everyone in your audience having an account on whatever you posted it on, or being in your discord server, or watching that live stream, or etc. basically, if they have to travel outside of canon material to find it, its not canon to me.
all in all i think sapphic representation in object shows is something that could use some improvement. drop the stereotypes about lesbians being evil and mean and scary. explore sexuality within the show itself. and in general, just have more sapphic representation, ALL queer identities are worth being expressed!
this was a bit of a ramble, but i hope i got my points across Good observations, yeah... Not much to add since most our sapphic headmates don't front enough to interact with the OSC, but now that you point it out, it is weird how little personality diversity there is for lesbian HCs. |
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Post by cupid on Jul 22, 2024 20:59:21 GMT
im coming back to this thread cuz earlier today i watched a video by PuppyRelp about LGBT rep in object shows and they had some fairly positive things to say, im not mentioning it to disregard any of their opinions but to say that it did get me thinking about a subject i dont see brought up all too much in these conversations, and thats specifically lesbian representation. the video mentioned some lesbian couples in a few shows and brought up one character that fits into the "evil lesbian" archetype and it got me thinking a whole lot more about this, being a lesbian myself and all that.
when it comes to sapphic representation (or even just headcanons!) the "mean/evil lesbian" trope is very, VERY common when you actually take a look at it. some of the most popular headcanons of lesbian characters in the OSC have mean, sassy, or evil personalities and this also goes for canonically lesbian characters. characters with more nice or friendly personalities typically get headcanoned as (or confirmed to be) bisexual instead. i dont think this is deliberate lesbiphobia in most cases, but it certainly is something i've noticed in the fandom, and it gets to a point of feeling very stereotypical and frankly, kind of annoying. im no stranger to doing this myself- literally the main villain of Roadkill is a lesbian, and that chick is a straight up serial killer. my other sapphic character, Fireball, is mean and promiscuous. but i do it in a way that's moreso "reclaiming" the stereotype.
i've been told by other queer people in the OSC directly that they're "scared" of lesbians because we're "usually mean". even seeming slightly annoyed at somebody gets us labelled as "scary lesbians". i've had my own lesbian interpretations of characters brushed off if the character's personality didn't fit that stereotype people have of us. and let's not even get into shipping discourse regarding "toxic" lesbian ships because i really do not have the time or mental energy to start an argument about that right now. it seems that, subconsciously, or maybe even consciously, the wider OSC has a lesbiphobia problem that is rarely ever addressed. from my experiences, if im gonna get labelled as a "mean lesbian" by others, including my fellow queer people, then i have a right to be a mean lesbian, dammit, and so i'm gonna project that onto my lesbian characters! and yet at the same time... seeing this stereotype being applied so heavily still annoys me. its like i want to project onto this stereotype, but i also want a wider spectrum of personalities because i'm just sick of being treated as "scary" for simply existing in this community.
discussion about representation in the OSC usually centers around trans and nonbinary characters, which is understandable, but i do think it shows how little sapphic representation exists explicitly in many object shows. i wonder if object show creators are afraid that they can't write queer representation without romance, but most object shows dont center around romance or include it at all. the thing is, just like not even trans character needs a coming out arc to be valid, neither do gay characters. it's possible to write implications of a character being a lesbian without having to write in a romance plot. at the same time, so many queer characters in general get confirmed outside of the source material or other canon materials that sometimes i just wish creators would risk the awkwardness and have a character say, out loud, "i am a lesbian". it goes back to the issue that's been talked about in this thread already of how object show creators with good intentions will confirm queerness completely outside of the canon material just to say they have queer rep. if it cant be implied from the source, then in my eyes, it might as well not be there at all. even with these indie web series you can't rely on everyone in your audience having an account on whatever you posted it on, or being in your discord server, or watching that live stream, or etc. basically, if they have to travel outside of canon material to find it, its not canon to me.
all in all i think sapphic representation in object shows is something that could use some improvement. drop the stereotypes about lesbians being evil and mean and scary. explore sexuality within the show itself. and in general, just have more sapphic representation, ALL queer identities are worth being expressed!
this was a bit of a ramble, but i hope i got my points across as a lesbian myself, i agree w you. seeing the mean lesbian stereotype being utilized very often esp in terms of headcanons and canon, it gets rlly tiring to see. i know not all queer people are nice, i get that, but it wouldnt hurt to see a nice lesbian for once. also when you said smth regarding queer rep being comfirmed outside of source? agreeable as well. this is sadly a common thing within the osc and queer identities (especially sexualities) are often developed only when romance is involved. ofc im not saying im against queer romance (or romance in general) being represented, if anything, this is a good thing! although, you can still write queer chars WITHOUT romance and it wont hurt to try. another thing: in terms of presenting implications of queerness within the show, no matter how well written, there will still be people who deny it unless a character says "i am ____" on screen, which they believe is more believable. they prefer a more direct source that confirms their identity. its sad honestly, this sorta stuff doesnt just apply to the osc but other media in general :[ |
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Post by cupid on Jul 22, 2024 21:04:37 GMT
from my experiences, if im gonna get labelled as a "mean lesbian" by others, including my fellow queer people, then i have a right to be a mean lesbian, dammit, and so i'm gonna project that onto my lesbian characters! and yet at the same time... seeing this stereotype being applied so heavily still annoys me. its like i want to project onto this stereotype, but i also want a wider spectrum of personalities because i'm just sick of being treated as "scary" for simply existing in this community.
while thankfully i didnt experienced treatment like that, im very sorry that you have to come across people being "scared" of lesbian ☹️ sick of hearing people generalizing us as "evil" |
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Post by CD on Jul 22, 2024 22:08:17 GMT
I don't have much to add onto the lesbian convo since I don't have that exact experience but It's really unfortunate to hear how people treat lesbian characters and creators. On that note though, one of my friends also saw PuppyRelp's video and talked with me about it. And I don't think I would ever fully watch it for my own wellbeing LOL. Seeing shows like EEE, Level Up and Object Terror be in D and E tier but II and TNM In A and B respectfully are some of the most "I just follow what others say/what's popular" opinions I've seen. Say about those first three shows what you want but 1. They're all made by openly queer (and in some cases trans) people 2. Have openly queer characters in it. Broomer and Chalky kiss on screen and are dating. Beer and Trowel kiss on screen, even If It was kind of unserious they're still very much gay. Pridey leans a bit into stereotypes (as do all of the characters) but he's still a character outside of that and not a completely unrealistic one. I know gay men like him, I *am* an effeminate gay man and I enjoy him a lot. Especially knowing It was made by a queer trans woman I highly doubt it was meant to be offensive. The controversy was aggravating but the osc will never learn to not scrutinize trans women for absolutely nothingburger things. And then claiming the show made by cis and mostly het guys that called their trans character an "it" and let their new trans character not have a personality out of being trans is better than the former examples? Yeah man sure. Tell me how The Nightly Manor's "gay" "rep" is anything to talk about. Also random twitter pride posts not only don't mean much but they're absolutely not better than gay characters Literally Kissing On Screen. Such an insanely biased video. |
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 22, 2024 22:15:04 GMT
The person who uploaded is known to be a big II fan if I recall. I have no opinion on Level Up, and I think I don't want to know. I did notice that a character got left out in one of the non-II sections, but I'm afraid I can't elaborate further on this. Not surprising, if I'm being honest here.
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Post by viscera zombie on Jul 22, 2024 22:20:27 GMT
also when you said smth regarding queer rep being comfirmed outside of source? agreeable as well. this is sadly a common thing within the osc and queer identities (especially sexualities) are often developed only when romance is involved. ofc im not saying im against queer romance (or romance in general) being represented, if anything, this is a good thing! although, you can still write queer chars WITHOUT romance and it wont hurt to try. another thing: in terms of presenting implications of queerness within the show, no matter how well written, there will still be people who deny it unless a character says "i am ____" on screen, which they believe is more believable. they prefer a more direct source that confirms their identity. its sad honestly, this sorta stuff doesnt just apply to the osc but other media in general :[ for sure, queer romance is a good thing! well-written romance plots can be really engaging too! but as an aromantic person, i'd love to see more rep without romance involved. i think my main thing is just wanting to see a wider array of queer experiences in general. trying to shove all people of a certain identity into a specific box, either to fit a stereotype or reject it, is completely antithetical to what being queer even is, to me at least. i'd be fine with the mean and evil lesbian characters (as i said, i have several characters who fit the trope) IF there was more diversity. im sure the same can be said for characters of all sorts of identities. and on top of this, i want more aromantic lesbian rep, more asexual lesbian rep, more trans lesbian rep- i want nice lesbians and femmes and butches and older lesbians and shy lesbians, i just get so sick of seeing the same thing over and over again, and i want more!
when it comes to representation, we often try to focus on what makes representation "good". but i think its more productive in the long run to have representation that's diverse. we all have different experiences with not just our sexuality but with life as a whole. and we already live in a world where cis and straight is the default until you announce it to the whole world that you're not. likely (no, definitely) a contributing factor in why some people will deny queerness until its said out loud with specific terminology. when i say sapphic representation needs improvement, i dont think we should push out the mean lesbian characters, i just think we should introduce more lesbian characters from all walks of life. that goes for media even outside of the OSC, though i see this stereotype more often in it. i dont want sapphic rep that's "good", i just want the wider OSC to acknowledge this prevalent lesbiphobia and work towards improving it!
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treasuredguardian
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Gaming in the Dark Pit of Despair
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 22, 2024 22:22:08 GMT
I definitely agree with this. I want to be optimistic, but it's safe to say the past 5 years has made me feel uneasy. I KNOW that the OSC is capable of moving past this. But due to factors I can't elaborate on, it's not gonna be easy this time.
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