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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 2, 2024 15:11:07 GMT
That last part is how I feel about GPS and Tophat being a couple too. I always have to wonder If that was always the intention. Alas. Yeah, I feel similar about sketchpad, especially since embers and the TDOS x TNM short fusion made alongside it. Implying that she's from TDOS doesn't make me think "wow cool Sketchpad is from another universe" I just think wow, great job on connecting your "serious" object show to TDOS. Like it's not already tonally a mess. I really can't speak if them being a couple was planned given that I wasn't around when the first 4 episodes were airing. >_>
I get that they want to have a balance in tone so the emotional beats will be more impactful. But there are decisions that can end up detracting from the story rather than enhancing it. As someone who did see the original, I feel TNM is missed potential in general. There was a lot of ways it could have been approached. I feel it's possible to do so while keeping the themes of TNM intact.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 2, 2024 20:03:32 GMT
With PPT2 15, it made me think about the team preferences among the fanbase. Myself included. (You probably know my favorite one just by looking at my mini-profile.) Team H is definitely one of the most popular teams by virtue of the Caramel Cube/Knight Helmet/Plasma Ball trio, but almost all of pre-DPI Team 47 are fan favorites! It's hard not to avoid the latter, seeing as they have the biggest impact on the narrative.
I think Malachite is the only 47 who doesn't have widespread popularity. Ukulele and Bubble Wrap's dynamic is appealing to shippers. Journal's situation is appealing to fanartists and fanfic writers. People find the Brackets to be entertaining in their own right. Treasure Chest is popular, but he sure doesn't feel like it to me. Sigh. 7_7
Team ? on the other hand? Well... Admittedly I checked out of reading any reception of the show after "Living On The Edge"(most of the stuff I saw wasn't really insightful anyway). And I don't use Twitter nor do I go on Yellow's server. But it's pretty obvious that they are the least popular team. I mean... They have the least impact on the plot, a lot of them are outclassed by the other contestants and most of them weren't able to be developed due to various factors.
The most they contributed is being a part of the reason for Team 47’s split… And also that alliance conflict that got cut short and nobody found remarkable. Team H had a pretty rough start but at least they provided a bulk of comedic scenes that many people look fondly on. Barring some things with Post-It Note, the team wasn’t really able to be fleshed out until “Living on the Edge” hit.
I don't know if the reception on Bottle has changed, but I do know most people didn't seem to like her very much prior. Cup seems to be adored, but he's a late addition. Don't get me started on how Post-It Note is treated.
The Question Marks are pretty much emblematic of how most of these characters are. Just okay, but could be better. Platinum Puppets had one of the more interesting takes on the ?s, but the audience was already attached to the Hs by then. No shocker seeing what this episode brought.
It doesn't really help that the show had to juggle 22 of these characters(that's not even getting into Gold Ingot and his staff). It's no wonder that when the numbers dwindled, there was more room to be able to flesh them out more. It had to work with the conditions it set as a show made in 2015. At least it aged better than most shows during that time period. I'm surprised this show managed to last long as it did.
As much as I do not like participating in fandoms, I do find intrigue from looking at patterns and seeing people's perspective on things from time to time. The latter can even give me insight on something I didn't think about.
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Post by Pony on Jul 3, 2024 1:10:10 GMT
I know Object Shows are poorly documented across Wikis and TV Tropes... But it has surprised me that nobody has made a Broken Base subpage for Inanimate Insanity. The discourse around II can get pretty intense. Even during the time of II2, there was a lot of debate on whether or not II2 becoming more serious was for the best. Not to mention everything with Meeple??? The changes II made has brought a lot of debate. I wasn't able to follow the news as II2 came out. But I very distinctly remember II's fanbase being pretty volatile. I know people have mixed feelings on TV Tropes, but I feel II's page doesn't really reflect the various lengths the fanbase is willing to go. Didn't They Reboot the ii TVTropes Page for S3? I Remember Reading the ii2 Wiki TV Tropes Page Over and Over Again in Highschool in Place of Socializing and It Was Weirdly Full of Strange Tumblr Fandom Specific Things (I Know It Mentions Trophan Which is Such a 2017 Blast From the Past) as Well as a Dedicated "Woobie" Subpage. I Agree a Broken Base Subpage Could Be Interesting But Unfortunately the ii2 TV Trope Heads Have All Either Moved to the ii3 Trope Page, or Disappeared Into the Beautiful Blue Mists.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 3, 2024 1:57:22 GMT
Didn't They Reboot the ii TVTropes Page for S3? I Remember Reading the ii2 Wiki TV Tropes Page Over and Over Again in Highschool in Place of Socializing and It Was Weirdly Full of Strange Tumblr Fandom Specific Things (I Know It Mentions Trophan Which is Such a 2017 Blast From the Past) as Well as a Dedicated "Woobie" Subpage. I Agree a Broken Base Subpage Could Be Interesting But Unfortunately the ii2 TV Trope Heads Have All Either Moved to the ii3 Trope Page, or Disappeared Into the Beautiful Blue Mists. I wasn't there when III came out. I'm not too sure what you're referring to. I do remember just recently they had to organize the character pages. I only found out about Object Shows having TV Tropes pages around 1-2 years ago. That's a shame, though. All of that information just getting lost. Looking at it now, yeah there still seems to be organization problems concerning the 3 seasons. I suppose it's not done yet.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 4, 2024 6:52:11 GMT
With all due respect.... Sometimes it really does feel like both object show creators and fans haven't really consumed much media. I'll cut the fans some slack because most tend to be young... But I feel it's one of the reasons why these creativity tends to stagnate. Also sometimes people give shows way too much credit for certain aspects. It varies on the situation, but regarding the more prominent ones. I'll tell you most of the "deep" things that people (usually on Twitter) say about the show is people filling in the gaps and not even intended by the creators most of the time. I've seen some statements from various creators, so I'll say it's pretty plausible. This is a general problem with works in a certain genre, but it's still a problem nonetheless.
But yeah... There should be object shows that take inspiration from more than just children's cartoons. At least something that isn't a reality show... Or a different type of reality show? The possibilities are endless.
I've seen some non-competition object shows, and they do show promise. Most of them don't have many episodes to their name... Or in some cases got canned. That does tend to happen with them. I really wonder if there has been more releases.... I've been very busy so it's not easy going through the backlog.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 7, 2024 18:26:59 GMT
I came across this post from Yellow, saying that while Take 2 is the series finale, he wouldn't be opposed to a third season. It's definitely not likely as it stands... It does have me thinking though. Assuming that the contestants will all receive closure by the season 2 finale, I would just prefer if the contestants would be new ones entirely. Of the Take 2 cast, the only ones I can see being fit for another shot would be Brick or Ace. I suppose some of the rejects that didn't do much in season 1 can qualify? Take 2 was meant to give spotlight to contestants who got out early in the previous season, with the newbies being there to shake things up. Take 2 already took long enough as is, so I wouldn't be surprised if this third season would be shorter. Personally, I would just have the series end off at season 2 with Gold Ingot owning up to his mistakes and ending off the series for good. I mean... We have seen how this game affects people?????????????? The one character who claimed "relax it's just a game where only one wins" was by the arguable main antagonist of the A-plot.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 10, 2024 18:03:06 GMT
I haven't watched TPOT or Post-Split BFB, but I have seen the subscriber specials and Modern BFDIA. Something that's always kind of bugged me there is the dialogue. Granted, it seems to have gotten better in some episodes of the latter, but it's such an issue it gets distracting. What's with the dialogue? Object shows in general have pretty awkward dialogue, but here it's to the point where it's detrimental. The characters say something as a joke, and it ends up falling flat due to how long winded it is. Not even that, it makes simple conversation awkward. The previous seasons weren't a masterpiece in this regard, but at least it was concise and to the point. It's a problem especially in this show where a bulk of the appeal is people arguing among each other.
Another thing that took me by surprise is how different Four is? I've heard things about this. I remember back when the Zero arc was ongoing I found Four's change in demeanor to be baffling. How worse could it have gotten? I don't plan on seeing post-split anyway because I rather not be bored.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 10, 2024 21:21:59 GMT
Oh and this might have been obvious already... But I've pretty much thrown in the towel in regards to the Journal plot. I've long since accepted that it won't ever be fixed, seeing as a lot of it's flaws come from episodes that are long past. I've only been watching this show in full for 2 years now... But I have been aware of the Journal plot beforehand, wondering where it would progress. We're nearly a decade in, and I feel waiting for it to pay off just isn't even worth it anymore. The show has improved in a lot of aspects, but as mentioned before, Journal's can't really be done the same way. I can only hope that it doesn't get in the way of the potential Treasure Chest has... Or get dumped in the last few episodes, but that's very much likely at this rate. It can't get any better, but it can get worse. I know how it feels to wait many years for something to happen. There are times where you just have to stop. I'll only comment on it if there's something new to say. Which given the current direction, won't be much.
It's not a dealbreaker though, as I actually enjoy the rest of the show. So it has that going for it.
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Post by foam on Jul 12, 2024 3:45:25 GMT
But yeah... There should be object shows that take inspiration from more than just children's cartoons. At least something that isn't a reality show... Or a different type of reality show? The possibilities are endless. urggg im always saying thisss
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 12, 2024 4:14:13 GMT
urggg im always saying thisss Right????? I don't want to sound like a broken record, but this is why certain tutorials such as "how to make an object show" rub me the wrong way. General tips such as "how to not get burnt out" is helpful, but I never really liked this mindset that you can only do an object show a certain way. I come from a time where a lot of object shows opted to lampshade cliches without bothering to do anything about it themselves, so I've seen this a lot.
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Post by viscera zombie on Jul 12, 2024 13:09:05 GMT
urggg im always saying thisss Right????? I don't want to sound like a broken record, but this is why certain tutorials such as "how to make an object show" rub me the wrong way. General tips such as "how to not get burnt out" is helpful, but I never really liked this mindset that you can only do an object show a certain way. I come from a time where a lot of object shows opted to lampshade cliches without bothering to do anything about it themselves, so I've seen this a lot. the only real way to make an object show is for the show.. to be about characters who are objects. the idea that object shows are a genre instead of a subculture/fandom much like the furry community actively harms the community's ability to grow. this is extra annoying when you consider that most object show fans and creators are children and young teenagers who are VERY impressionable. to basically tell children that they shouldn't branch out and be creative with their stories is beyond stupid. they're already gonna take inspiration mainly from what they've seen and what is popular anyways so we shouldnt be telling them its what they HAVE to do. its like saying the only way to make a show about horses is to copy My Little Pony.
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Post by viscera zombie on Jul 12, 2024 13:30:31 GMT
I haven't watched TPOT or Post-Split BFB, but I have seen the subscriber specials and Modern BFDIA. Something that's always kind of bugged me there is the dialogue. Granted, it seems to have gotten better in some episodes of the latter, but it's such an issue it gets distracting. What's with the dialogue? Object shows in general have pretty awkward dialogue, but here it's to the point where it's detrimental. The characters say something as a joke, and it ends up falling flat due to how long winded it is. Not even that, it makes simple conversation awkward. The previous seasons weren't a masterpiece in this regard, but at least it was concise and to the point. It's a problem especially in this show where a bulk of the appeal is people arguing among each other. Another thing that took me by surprise is how different Four is? I've heard things about this. I remember back when the Zero arc was ongoing I found Four's change in demeanor to be baffling. How worse could it have gotten? I don't plan on seeing post-split anyway because I rather not be bored. personally i think TPOT is very fun and the more recent episodes have been getting significantly better. but im no writing expert, i don't really know or care all that much whether writing is technically good or bad as long as it has some kind of substance, for me thats usually it being entertaining. awkward dialogue can definitely take me out of a scene sometimes but it hasn't really felt all that awkward to me imo. edit: i actually moreso feel that awkwardness in BFDIA, but ive gone on a while ago about how im not really a fan of recent BFDIA episodes lmao
with Four's personality change though, i think it might be a symptom of BFB's popularity, he sorta shifted into a more fanon version of himself. i dont necessarily hate his personality change but its a very stark difference to how he acted before. its getting a little bit better imo but still not quite the same. i think its pretty easy to take in influence from the fandom because as a writer you kinda instinctively wanna do what the fans want to see even if it differs from your original vision. its important in that aspect to keep your original vision in mind even if you interact a lot with your fandom so you dont take in so much influence that it completely alters your characters. its also kind of just a symptom in general of long running shows and since BFDI is an indie production with viewer interaction i think that increases how long the series is gonna run until its finally finished. you see this especially in shows with an ensemble cast like sitcoms where as the show runs longer, and the situations get more outlandish, and the writers are constantly trying to find something new to do with the characters, things start to drastically change and you don't really notice it until you rewatch the series from the beginning.
honestly not even really sure where im going with this. i dont really thing negatively of a lot of things like this but i still think its interesting to note how and why these changes happen. its neat ig
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 12, 2024 15:29:28 GMT
personally i think TPOT is very fun and the more recent episodes have been getting significantly better. but im no writing expert, i don't really know or care all that much whether writing is technically good or bad as long as it has some kind of substance, for me thats usually it being entertaining. awkward dialogue can definitely take me out of a scene sometimes but it hasn't really felt all that awkward to me imo. edit: i actually moreso feel that awkwardness in BFDIA, but ive gone on a while ago about how im not really a fan of recent BFDIA episodes lmao
I don't mind bad or mediocre writing if it's funny. That said, if I'm feeling really bored, I'm not really having a good time. Not even in a "so bad it's good" way, just "I could be doing so many other things right now". This is why I got tired of stuff such as BFB and III, because I was bored and I couldn't enjoy it in any way whatsoever. Critical or otherwise, there was nothing to take away from. This is also why I put up with other shows that are considerably more flawed, because at least there's something to get out of it.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 12, 2024 15:37:24 GMT
with Four's personality change though, i think it might be a symptom of BFB's popularity, he sorta shifted into a more fanon version of himself. i dont necessarily hate his personality change but its a very stark difference to how he acted before. its getting a little bit better imo but still not quite the same. i think its pretty easy to take in influence from the fandom because as a writer you kinda instinctively wanna do what the fans want to see even if it differs from your original vision. its important in that aspect to keep your original vision in mind even if you interact a lot with your fandom so you dont take in so much influence that it completely alters your characters. its also kind of just a symptom in general of long running shows and since BFDI is an indie production with viewer interaction i think that increases how long the series is gonna run until its finally finished. you see this especially in shows with an ensemble cast like sitcoms where as the show runs longer, and the situations get more outlandish, and the writers are constantly trying to find something new to do with the characters, things start to drastically change and you don't really notice it until you rewatch the series from the beginning. I just wanted to know the events that lead up to this. Good to know though. I remember watching this (non OSC related) show where it stopped focusing on making fun and engaging episodes and started to pander to the shipping or fanon side of it's fanbase. Seeing it happen in real time was painful, as it lead to a bunch of bad writing decisions. It was really not equipped to write about the things it did, let's just put it that way. It is very much true that web series can fall to this, seeing as they have to engage with their fanbase.
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Post by viscera zombie on Jul 12, 2024 17:26:04 GMT
personally i think TPOT is very fun and the more recent episodes have been getting significantly better. but im no writing expert, i don't really know or care all that much whether writing is technically good or bad as long as it has some kind of substance, for me thats usually it being entertaining. awkward dialogue can definitely take me out of a scene sometimes but it hasn't really felt all that awkward to me imo. edit: i actually moreso feel that awkwardness in BFDIA, but ive gone on a while ago about how im not really a fan of recent BFDIA episodes lmao
I don't mind bad or mediocre writing if it's funny. That said, if I'm feeling really bored, I'm not really having a good time. Not even in a "so bad it's good" way, just "I could be doing so many other things right now". This is why I got tired of stuff such as BFB and III, because I was bored and I couldn't enjoy it in any way whatsoever. Critical or otherwise, there was nothing to take away from. This is also why I put up with other shows that are considerably more flawed, because at least there's something to get out of it. yeah, yeah, i feel the same way. awkward dialogue doesnt usually bother me as long as its entertaining. and im always one to take uniqueness and entertainment value over something that's technically "better". the thing for me with BFDIA (and as you also brought up here, III, lol) is that the awkward dialogue isnt funny at all. just boring and detrimental to any actual jokes or interesting plot points they could have added instead. i havent been keeping up with it at all bc the last episode rly took me out of the season
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