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Post by treasuredguardian on Aug 16, 2024 4:19:45 GMT
Currently on a BFDI rewatch marathon(up to BFB 15 when the split happens). On BFDI 4 as of typing.
I love how almost everyone in this show are varying degrees of jerks and eccentricity LOL. Object shows are so weird, but what more can I ask for?
Also these visuals that sometimes pop up whenever a characters speaks or the host is explaining a challenge... There HAS to be a term for it...
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Post by treasuredguardian on Aug 16, 2024 4:25:51 GMT
Speaking of weirdness. It bothers me in general when people try to counter-act the "object shows are just for kids" statement by showing... Standard slapstick violence? Some of it can be wince inducing, especially if it's drawn out, but I wouldn't consider most of it to be terrifying to children. There's nothing wrong with liking a show made for kids. I know I criticize these shows a lot, but I do understand the demographic for most of these. I also get that's it's frustrating whenever people say kids shows are mindless and it is a problem whenever a show doesn't respect the viewer's intelligence but... Come on.... There's a better way to go about this.
This reminds me of the fact that people consider BFDI 25 to be bleak which... Is confusing? Even back then I didn't think it was THAT dark and serious to be depressing. Just a few tense scenes, some characters die, and an emotional moment at the end. I suppose it WAS a bigger deal for it's time, but let's be honest here... With the show's nature, they were never going to make death permanent. I can get Evil Leafy being disconcerting to young children, but ROTHG????
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Post by treasuredguardian on Aug 16, 2024 4:42:50 GMT
You know, given the slapstick/violence oriented nature in most of these shows, I can't help but imagine how it would be translated if the characters were humans. The obvious approach is to use cartoony slapstick... But what if that didn't apply there? I suppose there's a reason why most gijinka/humanization artists never redraw those types of scenes. Now that I think about it... I've been seeing an influx of non-human gijinkas as of late... Not many object heads besides mine but... Maybe I'm not looking hard enough? I usually see the ones that look like humans except they're colored differently and have flesh hair.
Even not considering the violence, some of these characters DO have their object type as a part of their character... Whether it's being a container or having sharp edges.
hfjONE is the one show where I can't really imagine gijinkas in any capacity because... The characters being objects is a big part of the show's themes.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Aug 17, 2024 4:46:37 GMT
Been watching the QNA Video on II2 15. I never really get the chance to go over these... But it is something to think about... SPOILERS BELOW -I've always wondered how many of these story beats are planned in advance. Here, Brian says that Suitcase and Knife as the final 2 has been an idea of his since 2013. -Soooo.... The Paintbrush plot in III was "sort of reverse engineered" to give more context to Lightbulb's elimination... Hm. Well. Okay, I don't really have much to say on this plot that hasn't been said before but... Given what Paintbrush said in HTP, I assumed they had Marshmallow on the mind.... Sigh... -I've always wondered this but... Was III even planned to be canon? I can't remember if it was the initial plan for the life of me. I wasn't there when III was revealed. -I still don't really know how to feel about the Baseball plot with this context... I get the idea(and I'm all for it) behind Baseball, but the way it was conveyed for several episodes just gave a different impression. It's a common pattern with this show, really. I definitely think Suitcase shouldn't be infantilized but... I feel sometimes the writers downplay the things Nickel does?? Between this and the way people treat Suitcase in general... Well. -I GET they want to tell a story about complicated people and that's fine, just that again, there is often a dissonance between the intent and what's shown up to this point. Especially regarding accountability.
I'm not too big on it, but I always found II and it's flaws to be fascinating. The writers mean well, I know that. They just have a pattern of not conveying an idea properly or adding decisions without considering the implications. It can happen. Like I said, I don't really have much to say that hasn't been said before. I've followed it for a decade now, but I never really interacted with the fanbase or saw the streams. Seeing the show progress in real time and it's effects on the OSC was an experience, to say the least. As someone who likes to collect trivia information, it seems like a very monumental task to keep track of all of these. Props to the people who do so.
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Post by Exit on Aug 17, 2024 15:45:01 GMT
Been watching the QNA Video on II2 15. I never really get the chance to go over these... But it is something to think about... SPOILERS BELOW -I've always wondered how many of these story beats are planned in advance. Here, Brian says that Suitcase and Knife as the final 2 has been an idea of his since 2013. -Soooo.... The Paintbrush plot in III was "sort of reverse engineered" to give more context to Lightbulb's elimination... Hm. Well. Okay, I don't really have much to say on this plot that hasn't been said before but... Given what Paintbrush said in HTP, I assumed they had Marshmallow on the mind.... Sigh... -I've always wondered this but... Was III even planned to be canon? I can't remember if it was the initial plan for the life of me. I wasn't there when III was revealed. -I still don't really know how to feel about the Baseball plot with this context... I get the idea(and I'm all for it), the way it was conveyed for several episodes just gave a different impression. It's a common pattern with this show, really. I definitely think Suitcase shouldn't be infantilized but... I feel sometimes the writers downplay the things Nickel does?? Between this and the way people treat Suitcase in general... Well. -I GET they want to tell a story about complicated people and that's fine, just that again, there is often a dissonance between the intent and what's shown up to this point. Especially regarding accountability.
How fun.
- I don't harbor any skepticism unique to this specific idea of his, but if it helps contextualize these "historical" statements that the II directors have started making in recent years, here's another idea Brian Koch had in 2013: "Hm, I would actually choose to make Paintbrush a... GUY! Just cause that's what I always thought.. it.. was." When asked about when it was decided that Paintbrush was specifically nonbinary in 2022, however, Justin Chapman implied that everyone on the team always thought of Paintbrush as genuinely being neither a man nor a woman. Recently, they seem to fabricate/obfuscate parts of II's production history for the sole purpose of sounding like they know (and have always known) what they're doing. Again, I don't see any particular reason this statement about Knife and Suitcase would be false, but it is an interesting practice to keep in mind when these dated recollections come up.
- If that Paintbrush plot was "reverse-engineered" during the writing of Invitational, then it seems still viable to me that Paintbrush was referring to Marshmallow in S2E14, as that was obviously written before III was happening. I'm not particularly fond of this semi-retcon.
- III was initially planned to be a "branching timeline" of sorts; ergo, not canon to II2. Taylor Grodin explained this on his Tumblr blog (scroll down; he did it twice, too). It was only after Taylor left AnimationEpic that the remaining three directors began alluding to the two seasons being connected, III playing into II2, etc. Prior to this event, Taylor was also in charge of the production of S2. It can be easily concluded that at least one of the other three directors made the choice to begin dismantling his idea of the remaining episodes (keep this and the practice mentioned in the first point in mind when they talk about having planned any given elements of II2 in advance).
- I'd really hoped that the critical attention S3E14 attracted would dissuade them from attempting to "talk about" disability and mental illness, at least without an outside sensitivity reader consulted. Unfortunately, it seems like this is yet another brainchild of the respective episode writer alone. I don't have anything to say about the contents of the concept itself.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Aug 17, 2024 16:34:44 GMT
Huh. -I asked because I was really skeptical about it. It feels like they don't really have much planned with how they write things, but I wanted to give some benefit of the doubt. I was aware of the Paintbrush statement. Hearing that they sometimes fabricate events doesn't really make me confident though. -It is upsetting. It still baffles me to this day how they decided that one scene automatically meant that Paintbrush and Lightbulb were besties. I get it, Lightbulb was the first person they came out to and she comforted them in a time of uncertainty but... Paintbrush had a motivation and life outside of the people who bothered them the most. Like yeah, the two sorted things out and all but Paintbrush wanted to distance themselves from Lightbulb earlier in that episode for a reason. I just... Don't get why the writers decided to push for this besides the possibility of "fan pandering". -Ohhhhh. Good to know. I heard it wasn't supposed to be connected, but couldn't find where it was stated. I still feel it wasn't a good idea to connect it to II2 though. I suppose it's so the viewer's time doesn't get wasted but... Honestly, III didn't need to happen in the first place. -Yeah, that's fair. I still don't really know what to think about ToF. >_<
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Post by treasuredguardian on Aug 18, 2024 21:28:05 GMT
Honestly, one of the post-BFB changes that puts me off as a long time fan is seeing people tag things with BFB rather than BFDI. Even if it's not related to BFDI. I remember back when the seasons up to that point were referred to BFDI(A). I get this is a common practice for long running shows, and it is one of the most common tags for the series... But it still baffles me for some reason.... Nowadays I just refer to the entire series as BFDI Series or simply BFDI.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Aug 18, 2024 21:38:01 GMT
You know, since IDFB is confirmed to return and revival BFDI seems to be tying up the loose plot threads to pave way for BFB... It makes me curious to see if they will try to explain EVERY change that happens in BFB... Especially... Well.. How Freesmart... Ended up... Like THAT. God, I wouldn't complain about that plot so much if it wasn't 1. Poorly set up 2. Made sense for everyone involved and 3. Didn't take up a good portion of pre split BFB's time. As much as I don't care for the Firey-Leafy plot, in BFB it felt like a natural progression for the characters up to that point. And Firey's reason to reject Leafy made much more sense. I still wouldn't consider the FS plot(and it's characters) to be well written even WITH the retrospective changes though. I wonder if it got any closure in TPOT/post split? (What's more surprising is how Freesmart landed themselves a spot in the Broken Base page, yet the whole Book arc isn't listed in Arc Fatigue? I remember how it felt like watching it progress in real time, and a lot of people seemed to be burnt out of it as well.) As I said before, I can enjoy bad/mediocre writing if it's funny, but I just couldn't enjoy BFB the way most people did. It's not that it was new or anything, I actually enjoyed revival BFDIA outside of the awkward jokes and dialogue. I'll elaborate more when I get to BFB in my watch-a-thon.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Aug 21, 2024 19:50:26 GMT
There’s not really much to speculate on when it comes to PPT2 episodes. We get little-to-no information regarding the plot. Mostly just out-of-context previews from various scenes and storyboards. The only looks we get into the plot is 4-image tweet from Yellow that represents a part of a bigger scene.
HOWEVER…. I have noticed a pattern regarding the past few merge episodes. They each seem to have a theme of sorts, reflected in the actions of the characters that episode. With the descriptions and dialogue being very forward about the messages it wants to tell, I’m guessing this is very much intentional.
“Living On the Edge” was about change and the various ways it manifests. That being change is inevitable and a natural part of life. You can’t stop it, no matter how much you try. And sometimes, people change for the wrong reasons. The last two sentences mostly apply to Gold Ingot in particular, but you can get a sense of how the new changes have upended a lot of previously established dynamics within the game itself.
“Platinum Puppets” is about how sometimes, the people you hurt aren’t obligated to forgive you, even if you have changed your ways. Post-It Note is usually lenient with his allies’ mistakes, but once Bottle votes him off, he stops giving her any second chances. This runs in parallel with Gold Ingot’s own plot, of course.
“A Rotten Egg”… Isn’t really as overt in it’s theme as the other two are?? From the description and what I can gather, it seems to be about responding to stress, whether it’s breaking out or cracking under the pressure. Chainsaw tries to break Bottle by belittling her, only for her to retaliate with brute force. The constant push-backs frustrate Plasma Ball more and more, until her anger literally blows up in her face. I’m not sure if Ukulele successfully sabotaging without Slipper’s guidance really factors into this however.
With this in mind, we can only assume the same will apply to this episode. As Yellow has confirmed on his Discord that this episode will have more focus on Treasure Chest and Cup, there’s a chance that whatever theme this episode has, it will be explored with these two. Or the former, at the very least. The previous episodes seems to be setting something up regarding Treasure Chest. If Treasure Chest is going to last longer, he’s going to have to confront the failings that caused his team to fall apart head on. Eliminating him here wouldn’t do him any good, seeing as his pact with Bottle was just established 2 episodes ago, and it didn’t really have much focus in the previous one. As we have a 50/50 split between the Brackets and everyone else, now would be a good opportunity for the latter to finally start taking action. Treasure Chest has Bottle, who is much more experienced at understanding people and mediating situations than him. Maybe she can nudge him towards the right path. I don’t know if Plasma Ball is ever going to factor into this. I wouldn’t be surprised if she showed reluctance or skepticism towards working with Treasure Chest given past events. Not to mention the fact that Team 47 was sabotaged… Which the narrative doesn’t seem to want to bring up for some weird reason. It would be a let down if she did just go along with no objections whatsoever. The latest episode seems to be setting up an arc for Plasma Ball to manage her anger, so if anything this is killing two birds with one stone. I’m not sure what Yellow has planned for Cup besides not relegating him to gags. I do hope it will focus on Cup’s other traits that the past couple of episodes seemed to have glossed over.
Whatever happens next episode, I at least hope it does something with what’s been established in previous episodes. The contestants can’t keep crumbling to the Brackets forever. (and it's obvious that 3 of them are in no way suited to be runner-up anyway)
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Post by treasuredguardian on Aug 22, 2024 18:23:55 GMT
You know... While rewatching BFDI I realized... I actually feel bad for Woody?? His phobias are played for laughs and that's more or less all his character is in season 1. Just mocking him for his "irrational fears" of everything. He does get more of a personality in BFB, but here in BFDI it's rubbing me the wrong way for words I can't quite articulate. I'm not against a character who is a coward, just not really fond of how it's depicted here.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Aug 26, 2024 4:19:34 GMT
You know... I've always wondered... Why DID Object Mayhem's first season get cancelled anyway? Cancelling at the merge is one thing, but here there were 4 contestants left. I understand why a lot of shows tend to get cancelled, but that just felt like a pretty random decision to me. I had to unsub when the channel got hacked and wasn't made aware of season 2 when it happened, so I wouldn't really know.
I can't tell if II2 doing the same thing makes it funnier in hindsight or not. At least II2 is wrapping up.... Even though making a third season and leaving their kickstarters in the dark was still a pretty bad decision. Object Mayhem on the other hand is just gone, period.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Aug 27, 2024 10:08:29 GMT
I was going to save this for my BFDI Marathon Live Thread but... Well I figured I should put it out here anyway.
I'm... Really torn on Book's plot in BFB. A lot of the issues I have with her plot can be applied to Freesmart, but the idea behind HER plot specifically stands out to me. The idea of a character being traumatized by their past and acting irrationally because of it was an idea I didn't really see much in object shows at the time? Only two other shows had a similar idea, and one of them dropped the plot immediately and the other got cancelled before it could be expanded upon. That said... Even putting aside the poorly executed set-up, the writing alone isn't... Really that great? A lot of BFDI's appeal comes from characters making dumb mistakes and absurd logic, but when your writing a plot to be taken seriously... It can't really work the same way?? I get why the team would be fed up with Taco given she left them to die, but it would be common sense that jawbreaker had her inside. That and subsequent episodes just focus more on the abandonment part and less her leadership. It would have been more believable if either they hated her for that or her jawbreaker wasn't with them during the challenge something along those lines... Don't get me wrong.. I'm not against characters making irrational decisions... Irrational decisions are irrational, but like any other writing choice, they CAN be poorly executed. It should be irrational, but it should also align with the character's motives and personality up to that point. Like it pisses you off, but you CAN see why they did it. I'm getting ahead of myself though. And yeah... The arc was pretty poorly done in how it progressed. Fortunate Ben wasn't the best episode for most characters, and then the Zero arc happened. Taco died and BLEH got stuck on the moon, meaning it had to be on hold for a while. Book doesn't really do much within that time. When Taco does come back though, they crank her irritability levels up to 10 rather than having it be more gradual. She introspects, realizes she fucked up, and attempts to make amends, culminating in her sacrifice. Aaaaaaand then they decided to end off the arc and put Taco to post-split(arc aside, I don't think she would work well there anyway). As I said before, this type of storytelling is pretty common in object shows, and I wouldn't be surprised if part of that it because some of those shows took notes from II2 and BFB.
I feel the idea with Freesmart could have been worth pursuing. Rather than having Freesmart turn toxic off-screen, they slowly get more and more corrupt in a way that makes sense for the characters involved. And giving a reason for why Book would develop abandonment issues. I'm guessing that's what IDFB is planning to do, but I feel at that point it's already much too late. As it stands, the development for them is less an extension of the characters, and more either changing their personality completely or making one trait their whole character.
Book is NOT a newbie for BFB, nor is she a background joke character that the writers decided to retool to give an emotional character arc. She has a pre-existing history, and it doesn't line up with what's shown no matter how you try to spin it. Even then, the arc itself isn't executed all that well, and relies on revising whole characters to make it work. It wouldn't have been as big of a deal if Freesmart weren't prominent characters AND the arc didn't take up a good portion of pre-split's time. I'm not against BFDI being more story-driven, I just don't think BFB did it all that well, and the amount of plots they had to juggle didn't help.
That said, the concept was interesting to me. And I wasn't lying when I said I kept holding out for BFB because I wanted to see how the arc would pan out. I still love Book, but I just think she deserved better. I heard TPOT managed to get somewhere with it, but at this rate I don't care about closure anymore. BFB burnt me out, and I don't want more of the same. It's flawed, but not in the way II is where said flaws are fascinating for me to examine. I'm usually much more lenient with BFDI, but BFB just wasn't fun to watch in real time, and I'm still bored with it even now. If anything, watching revival BFDIA of all things helped me figure out why I had issues with it. I know a lot of people love pre-split, but as a long time fan I just couldn't enjoy it in any capacity. It's inoffensive, just... Boring.
I'd love to elaborate on this even more... But I feel I should really save that for sometime after I'm done with the marathon. Just putting that out there.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Aug 27, 2024 19:56:49 GMT
I still don't know how to feel about the fact that Treasure Chest and Post-It Note never interacted in the merge. I understand why people saw it as disappointing, I just don't know how it would be done with the direction Post-It Note's story was heading at that point. Again, Post-It Note was pretty much set up to fail. And I took issue with what WAS present in Platinum Puppets, that being a certain side plot that may or may not be expanded upon. If anyone has any ideas for how a PIN-TC interaction WOULD work with what's done in canon, I'd be glad to hear it. As it stands right now, they probably won't be interacting until the end of the show.
All I hope is that they eventually acknowledge the fact that Post-It Note was very stressed out at the time, Bottle just wasn't aware of that fact. The show seemed to be setting up parallels between Journal/TC and P-IN/Bottle, but they haven't REALLY done much with it? A shame that the show didn't do a good job at writing the ?s in a way so people would actually care about the pact. Either that or people DO care and it's all on TWITTER of all things...
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Post by suuuuuuuuuuuuugar on Aug 31, 2024 6:26:51 GMT
I was going to save this for my BFDI Marathon Live Thread but... Well I figured I should put it out here anyway. I'm... Really torn on Book's plot in BFB. A lot of the issues I have with her plot can be applied to Freesmart, but the idea behind HER plot specifically stands out to me. The idea of a character being traumatized by their past and acting irrationally because of it was an idea I didn't really see much in object shows at the time? Only two other shows had a similar idea, and one of them dropped the plot immediately and the other got cancelled before it could be expanded upon. That said... Even putting aside the poorly executed set-up, the writing alone isn't... Really that great? A lot of BFDI's appeal comes from characters making dumb mistakes and absurd logic, but when your writing a plot to be taken seriously... It can't really work the same way?? I get why the team would be fed up with Taco given she left them to die, but it would be common sense that jawbreaker had her inside. That and subsequent episodes just focus more on the abandonment part and less her leadership. It would have been more believable if either they hated her for that or her jawbreaker wasn't with them during the challenge something along those lines... Don't get me wrong.. I'm not against characters making irrational decisions... Irrational decisions are irrational, but like any other writing choice, they CAN be poorly executed. It should be irrational, but it should also align with the character's motives and personality up to that point. Like it pisses you off, but you CAN see why they did it. I'm getting ahead of myself though. And yeah... The arc was pretty poorly done in how it progressed. Fortunate Ben wasn't the best episode for most characters, and then the Zero arc happened. Taco died and BLEH got stuck on the moon, meaning it had to be on hold for a while. Book doesn't really do much within that time. When Taco does come back though, they crank her irritability levels up to 10 rather than having it be more gradual. She introspects, realizes she fucked up, and attempts to make amends, culminating in her sacrifice. Aaaaaaand then they decided to end off the arc and put Taco to post-split(arc aside, I don't think she would work well there anyway). As I said before, this type of storytelling is pretty common in object shows, and I wouldn't be surprised if part of that it because some of those shows took notes from II2 and BFB. I feel the idea with Freesmart could have been worth pursuing. Rather than having Freesmart turn toxic off-screen, they slowly get more and more corrupt in a way that makes sense for the characters involved. And giving a reason for why Book would develop abandonment issues. I'm guessing that's what IDFB is planning to do, but I feel at that point it's already much too late. As it stands, the development for them is less an extension of the characters, and more either changing their personality completely or making one trait their whole character. Book is NOT a newbie for BFB, nor is she a background joke character that the writers decided to retool to give an emotional character arc. She has a pre-existing history, and it doesn't line up with what's shown no matter how you try to spin it. Even then, the arc itself isn't executed all that well, and relies on revising whole characters to make it work. It wouldn't have been as big of a deal if Freesmart weren't prominent characters AND the arc didn't take up a good portion of pre-split's time. I'm not against BFDI being more story-driven, I just don't think BFB did it all that well, and the amount of plots they had to juggle didn't help. That said, the concept was interesting to me. And I wasn't lying when I said I kept holding out for BFB because I wanted to see how the arc would pan out. I still love Book, but I just think she deserved better. I heard TPOT managed to get somewhere with it, but at this rate I don't care about closure anymore. BFB burnt me out, and I don't want more of the same. It's flawed, but not in the way II is where said flaws are fascinating for me to examine. I'm usually much more lenient with BFDI, but BFB just wasn't fun to watch in real time, and I'm still bored with it even now. If anything, watching revival BFDIA of all things helped me figure out why I had issues with it. I know a lot of people love pre-split, but as a long time fan I just couldn't enjoy it in any capacity. It's inoffensive, just... Boring. I'd love to elaborate on this even more... But I feel I should really save that for sometime after I'm done with the marathon. Just putting that out there. Someone who gets me, praying hands. Yeah, I was really weirded out by how they handled Book back then. And it felt like I was the only one iffed about this. I even made a video several years ago detailing how Book is inconsistent with herself from previous seasons. I really disliked BFB in general because of how different some of the characters were, not adding up with what was seen earlier. But I still kept watching because at the time, it was the only BFDI continuation that wasn't abandoned after a few episodes (that is, if you count BFDIA 1-5 as a few episodes). And some revelations about favoritism... can't remember the word for it, they made me not feel crazy for thinking something was very off about the writing. The arc idea would've been fine if done with a different character, I think either Saw or Dora could've been good candidates for Book's role, if going about it without changing the teams. Not sure about Ice Cube, her anger at others would be way more justified, but she's not the type to be that open. Or even better, give that arc to some different team. Maybe even iance, Freesmarters are all about long-running alliances and loyalty.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Aug 31, 2024 14:49:13 GMT
Someone who gets me, praying hands. Yeah, I was really weirded out by how they handled Book back then. And it felt like I was the only one iffed about this. I even made a video several years ago detailing how Book is inconsistent with herself from previous seasons. I really disliked BFB in general because of how different some of the characters were, not adding up with what was seen earlier. But I still kept watching because at the time, it was the only BFDI continuation that wasn't abandoned after a few episodes (that is, if you count BFDIA 1-5 as a few episodes). And some revelations about favoritism... can't remember the word for it, they made me not feel crazy for thinking something was very off about the writing. The arc idea would've been fine if done with a different character, I think either Saw or Dora could've been good candidates for Book's role, if going about it without changing the teams. Not sure about Ice Cube, her anger at others would be way more justified, but she's not the type to be that open. Or even better, give that arc to some different team. Maybe even iance, Freesmarters are all about long-running alliances and loyalty. Really? From what I can tell, a good amount of people didn't really like iance nor Books' arc for similar reasons. I find it a shame that Ice Cube was barely relevant for an arc where she SHOULD be important... Then again, the Huang Twins weren't really able to do much with her for understandable reasons, and her character changed and subsequently suffered from it. Sorry, I just really like Ice Cube despite her utilization. The Freesmart arcs are just a mess in general, and it makes me wonder how different things would have been if Bubble did win BFDI like the writers seemingly intended(even back then people noticed that they seemed to be setting it up). It probably would have the least damage if done with new characters, I'm just saying that the arc could have worked if things were done differently.
I get it. Even then, I thought I was alone for not really liking BFB as much. I just rewatched seasons 1 to pre-split and honestly? I still feel the same, if not more sure in it. I'm not watching post-split though, I'm bored of BFB. BFB was inoffensive and had it's fair share of funny gags, but I don't think that makes up for episodes of issues I had with it. I know people say "BFDI isn't meant to be taken seriously and comedy is a priority", and that is true, but BFB intended us to take the storylines seriously? Then again, I did hear there was some disagreements between writers, but I can't really confirm that. It would explain a lot though. I'm not adverse to BFDI being more plot oriented, I just don't like how they did it there. II2 has a LOT of issues, but the ideas were ones that weren't really explored in shows before, and I could see where they were coming from. I think it helps that II's sense of humor and characterization is much easier to shift to the stories it wants to tell.
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