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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 12, 2024 21:16:07 GMT
yeah, yeah, i feel the same way. awkward dialogue doesnt usually bother me as long as its entertaining. and im always one to take uniqueness and entertainment value over something that's technically "better". the thing for me with BFDIA (and as you also brought up here, III, lol) is that the awkward dialogue isnt funny at all. just boring and detrimental to any actual jokes or interesting plot points they could have added instead. i havent been keeping up with it at all bc the last episode rly took me out of the season Oh yeah, I see what you mean. I want to enjoy modern BFDIA more, but this alongside a few other factors are keeping me from enjoying it as much as I want to. I don't know... My relationship with BFDI is a pretty tumultuous one. I'm planning to re-watch up to the split when I can.
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Post by Pony on Jul 12, 2024 21:18:24 GMT
Something that's always kind of bugged me there is the dialogue. Granted, it seems to have gotten better in some episodes of the latter, but it's such an issue it gets distracting. What's with the dialogue? Object shows in general have pretty awkward dialogue, but here it's to the point where it's detrimental. The characters say something as a joke, and it ends up falling flat due to how long winded it is. Not even that, it makes simple conversation awkward. The previous seasons weren't a masterpiece in this regard, but at least it was concise and to the point. It's a problem especially in this show where a bulk of the appeal is people arguing among each other. I Often Run Into This Issue Myself Due to My Autism and I Do Think This is the Issue for Others Too Lol.. Not to Speculate About Anyone in Specific But The OSC Is Very Neurodiverse Which Leads to Odd Speech Patterns and Without a Good Proofreader/A Couple Rewritings It Ships as Is. BFDI In General Seems to Be Combed Through a Lot Less Than It Used to Be So It Makes Sense Its More Wordy and Awkward
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 13, 2024 3:25:19 GMT
I Often Run Into This Issue Myself Due to My Autism and I Do Think This is the Issue for Others Too Lol.. Not to Speculate About Anyone in Specific But The OSC Is Very Neurodiverse Which Leads to Odd Speech Patterns and Without a Good Proofreader/A Couple Rewritings It Ships as Is. BFDI In General Seems to Be Combed Through a Lot Less Than It Used to Be So It Makes Sense Its More Wordy and Awkward Oh yeah, I have autism which makes it difficult to get what I mean across, even in text form. The lack of proofreaders seems plausible, especially if the creators are rookies. Admittedly, I'm very out of the loop when it comes to BFDI's production. I did hear that it had a change in writers a while back, and it really shows here.
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Post by Pony on Jul 13, 2024 5:25:52 GMT
Yeah Satomi Was Fired After Tpot 2 and Its Decently Easy to Attribute a Less Tight Script to That, Even If It Isnt the Entire Case
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 15, 2024 17:45:43 GMT
You know, the funniest instance of the "Reboot" title being used in an Object Show has to be Twisted Turns. It was a Powerpoint Show that came out in 2014, and it has pretty much all of the things you expect from an object show during that time.
Despite being listed as a Reboot, it's more a Reboot in the sense that TDI 2023 is a fresh slate. If you think you don't need to watch Object Downfall and the original Twisted Turns to watch it, think again. (At least later TTR episodes had the decency to clarify on the continuity it was referencing)
Twisted Turns and it's Reboot also had the added bonus of trying to implement an overarching plot of sorts. The first one promptly dropped it(and even with the context from a trivia video, doesn't make a lick of sense). The second one was actually committed to it, to say the least.... Given that the creator often makes references to the media he likes, my guess is that he saw these cartoons who did serialized storytelling and overarching plots and wanted to do that too. He bases whole characters off of ones from shows he likes, so it's not too implausible of an assumption. I get it, kids do love to make things based on the stuff they like. I know how that feels.
I've only watched 10 of the 14 episode available. I have to say this... I'm surprised it's even still running. As I mentioned before, most object show reboots don't last this long. And the 2014-17 era of Object Shows isn't really looked fondly upon by anybody. And good lord, this show really relished in that stuff!
Also fun fact: There's 3 wikis centering around the Twisted Turns chronology, but all of them are really really outdated and lack sufficient information.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 15, 2024 17:54:53 GMT
I don't know if Object Show 87 really was meant to be an Inanimate Insanity 2 parody, but it ages better and better as Inanimate Insanity progresses. Not kidding when I say that it's the best parody of those types of shows. It doesn't bash the audience for caring about serious storytelling, which really helps.
I don't even think serious storytelling is superior to comedic ones, I just think they should co-exist. I get if the former isn't your thing, but discouraging people from doing their own thing only stifles creativity. Granted, II2 wasn't really that good, but it did something that most shows at the time never really committed to. hfjONE isn't perfect either, but it's popularity isn't unearned. It shows that people can enjoy serious object shows not solely for being serious, but for what it has to offer.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 16, 2024 1:15:49 GMT
You know, I've always thought about BFDI's finale and how it would make more sense if Bubble won instead. Putting any potential "favoritism" aside, Bubble and Leafy had a more well established history up to that point. Prior to the last few episodes, Leafy and Firey just exchanged a few remarks. You probably won't have to change much in the episode itself. It could go either way for Bubble and Leafy actually, as there's more of a reason for them to exclude the other out. That said, the ramifications for later shows would be much, much different.
I understand the appeal of the Firey/Leafy conflict, but a decade ago we only had 2 seasons to go off of. Also, imagine waiting in real time for the conflict to get resolved. I remember it all too well. I heard it got wrapped up, but in a pretty anticlimatic manner. I don't care much about Post-Split to check that out.
Bubble on the other hand.... Yeah, Freesmart as a whole got badly robbed in BFB. Don't even get me started oh my god. I don't remember much from BFB, but I remember that very clearly. At least Book had an interesting conflict, even if the set-up and pacing wasn't that great.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 20, 2024 19:10:20 GMT
Was looking through some of the YMMVs for object shows. I found this from Paper Puppets to be really funny, because I very distinctly remember people saying this every episode. The editors don't need to change anything, I just find listing this specifically to be hilarious. As someone who remembers some of the 2014-19 BFDI days... Yeah, Fireafy is definitely a polarizing ship. I've seen some people who just don't care about it. Are they a minority of the ship base or something? I'm not much of a shipper, but I very distinctly remember when a lot of Fireafy shippers were toxic. Also again, I feel the Broken Base section of BFDI is very outdated in some areas. Leafy is simply the most divisive of the BFDI finalists, bar none. I haven't seen post-split(never will) but I do know that Four is also a pretty divisive character. Even before the split, a lot of people didn't seem to like them or find him funny.
You know, were the veteran characters really tweaked to prop up the newbies? I always felt it looked to be the case, but I don't want to jump to conclusions.
I'm still surprised that III 14 wasn't ever brought up in II's TV Tropes page. I suppose the editors either neglected to add it or didn't want to. The controversy was mostly on Twitter sure, but it had a reason to be a big deal as it was.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 20, 2024 19:18:01 GMT
I do wonder if the Object Overload re-reboot is still planned. A lot of Object Overload's features were marvels for it's time, so I'm curious to see how to stacks up with the modern standards of object shows. I'm wondering if the Lighter/Tissue conflict will come back again. FUN FACT: It was one of the first object shows to have a character with a tragic backstory. The other was Object Universe(remember that??).
I really do hope it cuts back on the contestants size though. Even back then, 32 contestants was a lot, and OO wasn't the best at utilizing them.
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Post by cupid on Jul 21, 2024 12:41:22 GMT
The more I watch TNM, the more I realize... Sketchpad isn't a good character. And pretty annoying. I get the idea behind zym: cher is meant to an immature, young partner in training who approaches situations with an optimistic mindset. With the tragedy shattering that worldview. That's not a bad idea at all! Thing is, their design and scenes only hinder the tone of the show rather than benefit it.. A lot of the serious scenes get hampered because zey keeps butting in with their overeager quips. Seriously, the BFDI fanboy sthick wasn't really a good idea. I feel there could have been a better way to convey that death is permanent than blurting out "oh no! if only recovery centers were real!". I also really don't understand the decision to base this guy off a random mook from a show one of your friends made. If its because of Sketchpad being the only new main character in the show, then that's a pretty flimsy reason to do so. I actually don't know if TNM was planned from the start to have 2 parts. If that's the case, the show really didn't do a good job getting the idea across. Contrast with what we're shown in chapter 1, Sketchpad's motivations feels more like an afterthought than anything. I could say that for a lot of things in the show, really. kinda thought im the only one LOL yeah i agree w you, something about sketchpad just felt so... gimmicky? that it just sucked out some of the seriousness from this show. like you said, its a good thing to present a character that copes with traumatic events with optimism, since its also how people cope with loss as well. however, its gimmick it had already feel old and is a bad idea to put in a show with serious themes. i dont think its better knowing shes originally from a show like TDOS. im not trying to diss both shows here, but connecting them doesnt feel right to me.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 21, 2024 18:01:47 GMT
kinda thought im the only one LOL yeah i agree w you, something about sketchpad just felt so... gimmicky? that it just sucked out some of the seriousness from this show. like you said, its a good thing to present a character that copes with traumatic events with optimism, since its also how people cope with loss as well. however, its gimmick it had already feel old and is a bad idea to put in a show with serious themes. i dont think its better knowing shes originally from a show like TDOS. im not trying to diss both shows here, but connecting them doesnt feel right to me. I feel kind of bad because I get what the show is going for... And I like book characters even if they do suck(Notebook CB). But I just cannot enjoy Sketchpad in any capacity. Not executed well, not enjoyable. I know TNM means a lot to other people, but it's not without flaw.
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Post by Exit on Jul 21, 2024 20:53:13 GMT
As someone who remembers some of the 2014-19 BFDI days... Yeah, Fireafy is definitely a polarizing ship. I've seen some people who just don't care about it. Are they a minority of the ship base or something? I'm not much of a shipper, but I very distinctly remember when a lot of Fireafy shippers were toxic. Fireafy is likely the oldest and most popular ship that BFDI has. Ships with as many fans as these tend to (seemingly just by virtue of their fanbase size) inherently attract at least a handful of people who are intense about their enjoyment of them to inappropriate degrees. Fantube is the oldest and most popular Inanimate Insanity ship, and there are similarly obnoxious proponents of it in its respective fanbase. I'm still surprised that III 14 wasn't ever brought up in II's TV Tropes page. I suppose the editors either neglected to add it or didn't want to. The controversy was mostly on Twitter sure, but it had a reason to be a big deal as it was. This doesn't really surprise me. I'm not sure who edits that page, but II fans are in general seemingly more hesitant (than other object shows' fans) to bring up controversial moments in/around the series, especially as of late. I get the sense that they really want to be responsible for its public image. Omitting things like that from the II-centric sources that they have some control over is one way of keeping it clean. Comparing the BFDI and II Wikis with each other illuminates this a little; ex. There's been an article on the BFDI Wiki about Jacknjellify's Patreon page since around the time it was created, which includes a fairly detailed section covering criticism directed at it. Comparatively, there was almost no mention of the II S2 Kickstarter campaign on the II Wiki until recently, where it makes up a short part of that season's own page.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 21, 2024 23:58:19 GMT
Fireafy is likely the oldest and most popular ship that BFDI has. Ships with as many fans as these tend to (seemingly just by virtue of their fanbase size) inherently attract at least a handful of people who are intense about their enjoyment of them to inappropriate degrees. Fantube is the oldest and most popular Inanimate Insanity ship, and there are similarly obnoxious proponents of it in its respective fanbase. I'm aware, it's just funny to look back on a decade later. That and I still don't get the appeal. At least some Fireafy fans were chill? I'm sure there are chill Fantube fans, but considering recent events I don't want to touch the fanbase with a 10 foot pole.
Ohhh. I haven't checked on the BFDI wiki since the split. And I rarely ever check the II one. I'm really out of the loop when it comes to the stuff that happened regarding the big 2. Makes sense, knowing II fans. I get why they are like this, but this mindset is just not good for anybody.
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Post by treasuredguardian on Jul 22, 2024 7:51:35 GMT
What happened to Open Source Objects anyway? It used to be such a big deal back in 2019, but these days it updates pretty slowly... And most people don't regard it that highly even with the concept. I get that, it is kind of boring. I also understand that object shows in general take a while to make, but I'm surprised that's the case with the show whose gimmick is that everyone can help out.
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Post by punchholery on Jul 22, 2024 16:04:41 GMT
What happened to Open Source Objects anyway? It used to be such a big deal back in 2019, but these days it updates pretty slowly... And most people don't regard it that highly even with the concept. I get that, it is kind of boring. I also understand that object shows in general take a while to make, but I'm surprised that's the case with the show whose gimmick is that everyone can help out. I was wondering that as well since it's been a while since I've been to the server. I would assume that they're still making comics and have a game in development.
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